Pelosi wants to investigate NYC supporters of ground zero - Page 2

Binky · #11 (**permalink**) 08-20-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mlurp

Gee Obama is losing a few more "D's" proving that standing by your party isn't always wise.

One should have the ability to think out of the box... Like have your own thoughts even if it is just to try to get re-elected.

Mosque debate divides Democrats, especially in NY - Yahoo! News

And yet those who want this moved haven't said a thing about religion, it is about the grief, but what do politicians know about what regular people feel or think.

It could be before his term is over they could be jumping ship like rats looking for a new place to hide.

mlurp · #12 (**permalink**) 08-20-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jlarsen

Hyscience? More like J U N K S C I E N C E

And look who dropped in.. Hopw much you getting to try to bother me you progressive liberal, low blowing useless ringer?

You and yoour opinion mean nothing to me. In fact not even worth viewing your sorry opinions so off with the other useless liberal nut job,

in the deep, dark and dank coffen of the ignore list you now go.. So now they need a new ringer. ...And I have more room than any progressive liberal, left wing, nut jobs coming in to bore me.

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Originally Posted by Binky

It could be before his term is over they could be jumping ship like rats looking for a new place to hide.

mlurp · #13 (**permalink**) 08-20-2010, 07:15 PM

There are 3 videos on the upper left at the site with the links below.

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NYC imam's goodwill tour comes amid mosque furor

By RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer Rachel Zoll, Ap Religion Writer – 1 hr 4 mins ago...

NEW YORK – The furor over the planned mosque and Islamic center near ground zero has put Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf in a curious position: At the same time he is being vilified in the U.S. for spearheading the project, he is traveling the Mideast on a State Department mission as a symbol of American religious freedom.

Some of the imam's American critics said they fear he is using the taxpayer-funded trip to raise money and rally support in the Muslim world for the mosque.

"I think there is no place for this," said the Rev. Franklin Graham, who is the son of evangelist Billy Graham and opposes the Islamic center and mosque. "Can you imagine if the State Department paid to send me on a trip anywhere? The separation of church and state — the critics would have been howling."

And once again Obama and the die hard progressive left wingers are backing the wrong horse... SO to our liberal members I ask just how is it you guys do that?

I know you think your not a progressive liberal but your party is and now you have the BIG PICTURE and infact your part of the same thing no matter what you think if your a "D".. Your PARTY CHANGED now catch up or go Independent.. Opps yes there are one or two or 4 issues you back and can't find else wheres.. Sorry about that.

But abortions, up to 20 million illegals becoming legals, the whole nine yards go with being a LIBERAL no matter how you think or what you think.

And some of you called us baby killers when our Vets came home when you were younger... So how oes it feel BABY KILLERS?

At his first event Friday in the Persian Gulf state of Bahrain, Rauf refused to discuss the uproar over plans for the community center two blocks from the World Trade Center site. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley has said Rauf understands that he cannot solicit funds for the project on his 15-day tour.

The $100 million, 13-story project is modeled after the YMCA and Jewish Community Center. Rauf and his wife, Daisy Khan, a co-leader of the project, have a long record of interfaith outreach and insist the center will promote moderate Islam.

Dang they can RAISE a lot of $$$ quicker than Congress could spend that much, sure I am making a

But the point is just how fast and from where? Why not investigate this not the people who are still suffering from their and our lose?

Opponents have condemned the plan as an affront to families who lost loved ones on Sept. 11, 2001, and the sensibilities of a nation still dealing with the wounds of the attacks. Some critics have accused Rauf of quietly harboring extremist views. The dispute has sparked a national debate on religious freedom and American values and is becoming an issue on the campaign trail ahead of the midterm elections.

Again look at the start of the above paragraph, not one word about RELIGION.. Who twisted it into RELIGION? And then the politicians got into it..

In New York, Khan said organizers are sticking with their plan and are not considering scaling it back or changing locations.

"Dropping the plan is definitely not an option at all," she told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Friday.

Rauf has not commented on the controversy since it erupted earlier this summer.

During his visit to Bahrain, he led Friday prayers at a neighborhood mosque near the capital city of Manama, then said that radical religious views pose a security threat in both the West and the Muslim world.

"This issue of extremism is something that has been a national security issue — not only for the United States but also for many countries and nations in the Muslim world," Rauf said. "This is why this particular trip has a great importance."

He also said he has been working on a way to "Americanize Islam." He provided no specifics but noted that different interpretations of the faith have emerged over the religion's 1,400-year existence.

Yet for many they hate, dislike if you prefer, both western religions that are much older, and have been proven to existed near a 1,000 years before theirs.. The DEAD SEA SCROLLS, prove it.. You can't fix stupid..

"The same principles and rituals were everywhere, but what happened in different regions was there were different interpretations," he said. "So we recognize that our heritage allows for re-expressing the internal principles of our religion in different cultural times and places."

This is Rauf's fourth U.S.-sponsored trip to the region, according to the State Department. He traveled twice to the Mideast in 2007 during the administration of President George W. Bush and once earlier this year. As part of his latest trip, Rauf will also visit Qatar and the United Arab Emirates during Ramadan to talk about Muslim life in America.

The trip is estimated to cost $16,000 and is funded by the State Department's Bureau of International Information Programs, which has existed in one form or another for decades. It aims to make friends for America abroad through cultural and educational exchanges that have involved everyone from dancers to scientists to leaders of different faiths.

Several American Muslim leaders who have traveled overseas for the State Department said they are often asked about discrimination against Muslims in the U.S. They said they acknowledge that prejudice does exist, but they also emphasize that many leaders of other religions, including Jews and evangelical Christians, defend the right of Muslims to practice their faith.

"There are times when the forces of religious division rear their head, but my point when people ask me about that is that religious freedom wins out," said Eboo Patel, an American Muslim who was asked to participate in the speakers program during the Bush administration.

Patel said there is no training by the State Department and no one tells them what to say.

Nor knows what they do say, just pointing that out.

Rauf will get a daily $200 honorarium for the tour. Airfare is included, as well as the standard government per diem for expenses and lodging in each of the cities he will visit, Crowley said. The per diem ranges from $400 to nearly $500.

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Associated Press Writer Hasan Jamali contributed to this report from Manama, Bahrain.

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And 4,460 COMMENTS, a few below...

NYC imam's goodwill tour comes amid mosque furor - Yahoo! News

I love these right off the top.

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This is a "religion" that has supported some of the most hideous crimes against humanity in our generation. And, the President supports them!? Unbelievable!Reply. Muslims are religious fanatics. The Koran clearly states ALL MUSLIMS ARE DIRECTED to defeat and KILL the infidels...the unbelievers....The non-Muslim AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE THE INFIDELS.

The NYC Mosque is MEANT TO BE A VICTORY SYMBOL CELEBRATING DEFEAT OF THE AMERIAN PEOPLE.

Most mosques are breeding ground for hate and recruitment of TERRORISTS.

THE KORAN STATES IT IS ACCEPTABLE TO LIE AND MISLEAD THE INFIDELS IN ORDER TO DEFEAT & KILL THEM....Reply.4 minutes ago Report Abuse The Imam is a threat to US security.

HIS GOAL is to lead the USA into conversion toward the Islamic Faith and Sharia Law.

It's called 'Taquyia' (lying to preserve and advance the reputation of Muslims and Islam).

It is a mandate from the Koran/Allah to ALL Muslims to lie to anyone at anytime...
Muslims really hate it when Infidels know the truths about Islam...especially when law officers and the military know it....AND THEY DO!!!!
DO YOU???? WAKE UP AMERICA…OR WE WILL LOSE OUR FREEDOM AND OUR COUNTRY.

Knowing the truths about Islam hampers Islam’s conquest goals..5 minutes ago Report Abuse Surely the good imam has to know that building a mosque where it is going to be drenched repeatedly in water ballons full of pig blood will do nothing to further the cause of moderation and peace between the religions. America is a country of freedom and people are going to exercise their right to free speech. 80 million Muslims want to kill all of us (source: Charles Krauthammer)

There is no such thing as a MODERATE MUSLIM only an INACTIVE TERRORIST.

These are plenty more...

mlurp · #14 (**permalink**) 08-21-2010, 12:46 AM

Man we have so many members on this this topic, just that there are what 4 to 7 on this topic and 2 if not 3 are by mods...

Maybe 1 of them might see if a few could be combined. Or is this forum going to be like the politicans and create what they have, seperated us as Americans.
Every issue has American's at each other. Lets just get back to the basic's and do it together.

Stop before starting a thread, look in several topic's for it have been already started.

Then if not pick the proper topic and start it off. Other wise join in with a update..

Anyone see Hannity and the Fox Special last evening?

it covered a lot.

Seems this iman isn't a moderate at all, like he and others say. So I ask myself how much more of it is lies?

And whom made it into a political and worst religious discussion? Answer these two questions and you have the truth...

Radical Islam is the only winner now. And why this started into religion has so many on both sides forgetting where this started and why!

This turned into a 3 ring circus once at a dinner for Ramadan, Obama put his foot in his mouth again.

And was back peddling again in less than 24 hours. I guess he let his main dog out of her cage.

Lady Nancy, let us know again how little the elite, progressive, liberal, baby killers, hear America and wanted the investigations mentioned earlier..

And again I say, " it isn't about religion or politics, it is about grief" not just these families that lost member and friends, of many religions, but it is National and has become a small victory for radical Islam, why allow this?

Has it to do with so many thinking Obama is a muslim? And after a year +.

It is about the famlies and our Nation. The War on Terror for us started there.
While the Muslim,s radicals were at it for a decade by then.

762nato · #15 (**permalink**) 08-21-2010, 06:21 AM

She would have every conservative poster on this site investigated if she could. Left wingers do not believe in freedom of speech.

mlurp · #16 (**permalink**) 08-22-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 762nato

She would have every conservative poster on this site investigated if she could. Left wingers do not believe in freedom of speech.

I'm trying to do just that 762Nato...

mlurp · #17 (**permalink**) 08-22-2010, 04:03 PM

This is dribble but what I forund so far....

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NY mosque imam: Attention from project is positive

1 hr 14 mins ago.

MANAMA, Bahrain – The imam spearheading plans for an Islamic center near ground zero said Sunday the attention generated by the project is positive and he hopes it will bring greater understanding.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf's plans for an Islamic cultural center about two blocks from the World Trade Center site have sparked a political firestorm in the United States. Foes of the project say it is insensitive and disrespectful to the victims of 9/11 and their families. The debate has become politicized ahead of November's midterm congressional elections.

And that is the main focus, not the rest of the BS about politices, religion or freedoms of any kind.

But Rauf, who is on the first leg of a 15-day Mideast tour funded by the U.S. State Department, took heart from the dispute, saying "the fact we are getting this kind of attention is a sign of success."

This from a man who won't take a stand about who is considered a TERRORIST even though the State Department has a list of them and is using taxpayers $ to fund his trips, without knowing what he says unless it is in public.

"It is my hope that people will understand more," the imam told a gathering at the U.S. Ambassador's residence in the Persian Gulf state of Bahrain. He did not elaborate.

More what? Chaos that drives the radicals.

The $100 million, 13-story project proposed by Rauf's Cordoba Initiative for the site some two blocks from ground zero is modeled after the YMCA and Jewish Community Center. It would include a mosque, a swimming pool, gym, auditorium and other facilities.

Muslims have been holding prayer services since last year in the building that the new project will replace.

The dispute over the proposal has sparked a national debate on religious freedom and American values and is becoming an issue on the campaign trail ahead of the midterm elections in the U.S.

Which Obama and the rest from the swamp in DC should have stayed out of.
And again it has NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION OR FREEDOM OF RELIGION.. It is about the families and what for us started the War on Terror.. Even though these radicals were at it for a decade or more.

Just what can't the rest of the people seem to understand is the basics.

President Barack Obama has said he believes Muslims have the right to build an Islamic center in New York as a matter of religious freedom, though he's also said he won't take a position on whether they should actually build it. New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg came out in support of the mosque, calling it a test of the separation of church and state.

Which made it a winner in the eyes of all Muslims. Both of these politicans should have waited and shut their mouths till the population got involved on the bacis merits.

But NO they made it political and Obama won't say anything about his personnel feelings on should it be moved.

Why not, cause it would might end the debates and heck if we are apart on this we aren't saying more about his failures. And he can keep blaming BUSH..

Rauf is in the Middle East on a U.S.-sponsored trip as part of an outreach effort to hold a dialogue between the Muslim world and America. He will also visit Qatar and the United Arab Emirates.

Nice work if it were more of a success: Read this as he is suppose to be helping the US in trying to get this started yet the Palestinians are placing limits and their desires first..

If Palestinians agree to attend, it will be the first such negotiations in a year and a half. Chief Palestinian negotiator Saab Erekat told Reuters that the statement was a positive step but he didn't comment on the invitation to resume talks on Sept. 2.

"The most important thing now is to see to it that the Israeli government refrains from settlement activities, incursions, fait accomplis policies," he said and the LINK

Palestinians see danger for Abbas in resumed Israel peace talks - Yahoo! News

In an interview with Bahrain's Al Wasat newspaper, he said that America's sweeping constitutional rights are more in line with Islamic principles than the limits imposed by some Muslim nations.

"American Muslims have the right to practice their religion in accordance with the Constitution of the United States," Rauf said. "I see the article of independence as more compliant with the principles of Islam than what is available in many of the current Muslim countries."

A portion of the Al Wasat interview — to be published Monday — was seen Sunday by The Associated Press.

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NY mosque imam: Attention from project is positive - Yahoo! News

This man is worthless in our endevor to help these two people in finding peace.

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