So the boy never threw a rock! - Page 4

Igottago2 · #31 (**permalink**) 07-18-2010, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billo_Really

One post back.

Thank's for the reality check!

Maybe this is why some of these agents are quick to defend themselves...

YouTube - Border Patrols Are Attacked

Billo_Really · #32 (**permalink**) 07-19-2010, 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Igottago2

Maybe this is why some of these agents are quick to defend themselves...

The video does give one more understanding of what these BP's go through. I don't really care for the violence against them and I hope they catch them on the US side and make them pay for their crime.

It also seems apparent (however I really don't know for sure), that the ones committing these crimes aren't necessarilly the people entering the country illegally to look for work, but it is by the drug (and people) smugglers whose occupation is getting these people across.

What is the Mexican government doing to control their side? Can't we put pressure on them to step up and take care of their own people?

I don't think it's right for us to shoot people standing on the Mexican side, but by the same token, I don't think it's right for the Mexican authorities to do nothing and allow the violence on BP agents to start on their side of the fence.

Tumbleweed · #33 (**permalink**) 07-19-2010, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billo_Really

I haven't seen it. I just made reference to it. If you want to remain skeptical about this, that's for you to decide and I don't have any problem with that.

I asked because the 10 minute video shows the situation the BP agent was in when he arrived on the scene of the confrontation, along with the situation he was in when he fired the first shot.

Now that the 10 minute video has been posted note what the situation was that caused the BP agent to shoot. 35 seconds into the video, all five criminals are present: Two in the lower left corner, one running towards the fence, one holding the fence open, and one on the other side of the fence. 5 against 1.

After the BP agent nabbed 1, 4 took off for their side of the border. If they would have all stayed over there we wouldn't be having this conversation. At 1:13 the BP agent pulls his gun out because 2 suspects had decided to try to distract the agent so their friend who got caught could escape, because at 1:25 just before the agent fires you can see at least 2 suspects in 2 different locations had been advancing on the BP agent who had his gun aimed at them. They didn't stop advancing until the officer fired. I have no doubt they came back to help their friend get free.

Why would anyone advance on an officer who has a gun aimed in their direction? Anyone that stupid shouldn't be surprised if they get shot at. It was 2 suspects advancing on the the agent who had his gun trained on them that made him choose to fire. IMO.

Keep in mind that 2 of the suspects at the time of the first shot were off-camera so they could have been doing a number of things like getting ready to throw rocks, distract the officer from a different direction, or even getting ready to use a weapon of their own. The agent had no way of knowing if any of them had weapons. He didn't even have time to frisk the one who he did catch, who he was trying to control while this whole thing went down.

Quote:

What I do have a problem with is someone still saying the kid threw rocks, without any proof that he did, other than what US authorities had said.

It's not just throwing rocks that caused this, it was the suspect advancing on the agent that seemed to be what made him choose to fire. It's not unreasonable to believe that 2 suspects coming towards you from 2 different directions with your weapon aimed at them don't have weapons of their own, or that they wouldn't use them if they did.

I still believe that the agent felt his life was in danger when he fired, and it wasn't just because a kid threw a rock at him.

faithful_servant · #34 (**permalink**) 07-19-2010, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billo_Really

I apologize to everyone responding for my error.

You need to add that to your sig line...

Dave1 · #35 (**permalink**) 07-19-2010, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tumbleweed

I asked because the 10 minute video shows the situation the BP agent was in when he arrived on the scene of the confrontation, along with the situation he was in when he fired the first shot.

Now that the 10 minute video has been posted note what the situation was that caused the BP agent to shoot. 35 seconds into the video, all five criminals are present: Two in the lower left corner, one running towards the fence, one holding the fence open, and one on the other side of the fence. 5 against 1.

After the BP agent nabbed 1, 4 took off for their side of the border. If they would have all stayed over there we wouldn't be having this conversation. At 1:13 the BP agent pulls his gun out because 2 suspects had decided to try to distract the agent so their friend who got caught could escape, because at 1:25 just before the agent fires you can see at least 2 suspects in 2 different locations had been advancing on the BP agent who had his gun aimed at them. They didn't stop advancing until the officer fired. I have no doubt they came back to help their friend get free.

Why would anyone advance on an officer who has a gun aimed in their direction? Anyone that stupid shouldn't be surprised if they get shot at. It was 2 suspects advancing on the the agent who had his gun trained on them that made him choose to fire. IMO.

Keep in mind that 2 of the suspects at the time of the first shot were off-camera so they could have been doing a number of things like getting ready to throw rocks, distract the officer from a different direction, or even getting ready to use a weapon of their own. The agent had no way of knowing if any of them had weapons. He didn't even have time to frisk the one who he did catch, who he was trying to control while this whole thing went down.

It's not just throwing rocks that caused this, it was the suspect advancing on the agent that seemed to be what made him choose to fire. It's not unreasonable to believe that 2 suspects coming towards you from 2 different directions with your weapon aimed at them don't have weapons of their own, or that they wouldn't use them if they did.

I still believe that the agent felt his life was in danger when he fired, and it wasn't just because a kid threw a rock at him.

Good observations........

Billo_Really · #36 (**permalink**) 07-19-2010, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faithful_servant

You need to add that to your sig line...

Sig is a captain on the Northwestern.

The bottomology of my posts, are fine the way they are.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

The Following User Says Thank You to Billo_Really For This Useful Post:
Igottago2

The Following User Says Thank You to Tumbleweed For This Useful Post:
Dave1

The Following User Says Thank You to Dave1 For This Useful Post:
Tumbleweed