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Old 06-09-2010, 03:06 AM
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John Lapoint of Packgen in Auburn, Maine, says he’s got plenty of floating oil containment boom and can make lots more on short notice. There’s just one problem: no one will buy it from him.

He’s already had a representative from BP visit his factory and inspect his product. The governor of Maine, John Baldacci, visited the facility and made a video plea to no one in particular to close the deal. Maine Senators Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins wrote a letter on May 21 to the secretary of the Interior, the administrator of NOAA, and the commandant of the Coast Guard to alert them to the existence of Packgen, their supply of boom, and their demonstrated capacity to make more. I have no idea if those are the correct persons and agencies to notify about the manufacturing capacity and the availability of boom. One wonders if the senators know.

While it is not easy to clean up an ocean oil spill, it is not a complicated procedure. In the open ocean, chemicals can be sprayed on slicks to try to disperse them. For the most part, oil floats, so it can sometimes be ignited and burned to lessen the amount that might reach a more sensitive area than the middle of an ocean. Out in open water, you can use booms (temporary floating barriers), but the wind and wave action makes it pretty difficult to place them and keep them there. When you get in closer to shore, where the oil is likely to do the most damage but the water is generally calmer, the best way to deal with it is to place flexible booms in the water, against which the oil will collect, and then run skimmers, a sort of pump that vacuums up and separates the oil from the water. Then you mop up what makes it to the shore as best you can.
At any moment, Obama could make the order, bill BP, and get the stuff out to where it's critically needed...

Unless it interferes with the golf schedule, of course...
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At any moment, Obama could make the order, bill BP, and get the stuff out to where it's critically needed...

Unless it interferes with the golf schedule, of course...
Or one of his many White House parties!
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At any moment, Obama could make the order, bill BP, and get the stuff out to where it's critically needed...

Unless it interferes with the golf schedule, of course...
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Nice pics from huffpo, salty. BTW - The issue isn't about whether any booms were deployed, but whether enough booms were deployed. But then that's just facts, so don't let them get in the way of your adulation.
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Nice pics from huffpo, salty. BTW - The issue isn't about whether any booms were deployed, but whether enough booms were deployed. But then that's just facts, so don't let them get in the way of your adulation.
If "adulation" is the definition of trying to ruin the false presentation that booms are stupidly not being used, then so be it.
I got the pictures from googling trying to find pictures I posted of the oil spill yesterday. If it was Huffington Post, so flucking what?
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If "adulation" is the definition of trying to ruin the false presentation that booms are stupidly not being used, then so be it.
I got the pictures from googling trying to find pictures I posted of the oil spill yesterday. If it was Huffington Post, so flucking what?
I don't think anyone even insinuated that containment booms weren't being used at all.
But it's painfully clear that not enough were used as we can see pictures & video of beaches & marshes being contaminated by the oil as it reaches the shore.
The state government of Louisiana wanted to build temporary sand boom islands but the federal government was too slow in granting the permits the state government needed --- in which case more of those manufactured containment booms should have been used; whether it be by BP, the state governments to protect their shoreline or the federal government to avoid a more serious environmental disaster.
Yet, in all three cases, they all dropped the ball --- equally.

The questions that need to be answered are:
Who had the most power to do the most immediate mitigation?
Did one entity need the approval of another to implement their mitigation plan?
Was that approval granted quickly enough for the plan to be successful?
Are there plans still waiting for approval; by who & why?
Until those questions are answered the fault lies on all three entities: BP, the state governments & the federal government --- equally.
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I don't think anyone even insinuated that containment booms weren't being used at all.
But it's painfully clear that not enough were used as we can see pictures & video of beaches & marshes being contaminated by the oil as it reaches the shore.
The state government of Louisiana wanted to build temporary sand boom islands but the federal government was too slow in granting the permits the state government needed --- in which case more of those manufactured containment booms should have been used; whether it be by BP, the state governments to protect their shoreline or the federal government to avoid a more serious environmental disaster.
Yet, in all three cases, they all dropped the ball --- equally.

The questions that need to be answered are:
Who had the most power to do the most immediate mitigation?
Did one entity need the approval of another to implement their mitigation plan?
Was that approval granted quickly enough for the plan to be successful?
Are there plans still waiting for approval; by who & why?
Until those questions are answered the fault lies on all three entities: BP, the state governments & the federal government --- equally.
Well as I see it they need a guy who is in charge of the whole picture and everyone reports to him. I think that guy is already in place in the person of the Coast Guard commander (forget the official title but you know who I am talking about).
The problem here is he is also in charge of the Coast Guard's other operations.
He needs to do one or the other as I don't see any other guy being in charge due to his maritime/coast line experience and experience in the specific area.
Hopefully the President has seen this too and has relieved him of all other duties but this one. And perhaps delegated the Coast Guard Chief's normal tasks to another officer.
You know as long as the governors have someone to voice their concerns to, the BP has someone to report to, and clean up crews are sent out, equipment is got --and that all comes under the direction of one able man, I'd see no problem with that.
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Well as I see it they need a guy who is in charge of the whole picture and everyone reports to him. I think that guy is already in place in the person of the Coast Guard commander (forget the official title but you know who I am talking about).
The problem here is he is also in charge of the Coast Guard's other operations.
He needs to do one or the other as I don't see any other guy being in charge due to his maritime/coast line experience and experience in the specific area.
Hopefully the President has seen this too and has relieved him of all other duties but this one. And perhaps delegated the Coast Guard Chief's normal tasks to another officer.
You know as long as the governors have someone to voice their concerns to, the BP has someone to report to, and clean up crews are sent out, equipment is got --and that all comes under the direction of one able man, I'd see no problem with that.
The guy who is in charge of everything is the FRIGGIN PRESIDENT, and he has shown us all his incompetence!
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If "adulation" is the definition of trying to ruin the false presentation that booms are stupidly not being used, then so be it.
I got the pictures from googling trying to find pictures I posted of the oil spill yesterday. If it was Huffington Post, so flucking what?
They are cherry-picked, worthless propoganda shots. What you posted would be kind of like the Iranians posting pictures of one Christian Church and claiming that they proctice religious tolerance. No one here EVER said that no booms were being used, just that there were a whole buttload available that aren't being used. But you decided that because the post wasn't a cheerleading session going "Rah, rah, rah" for Pres. Obama, that you had to jump to the defence of Your Beloved. So here's the subject under discussion - Why is it that there are all these oil containment booms available and no one is using them?? Why isn't BP using them? Why isn't the gov't either using them and billing BP or telling BP to get on the stick and buy them and put them to use?? What's the hold up?? Who's falling down on the job??

Got it?? It's not about you crying because once again someone said something that wasn't cheerleading for the President, it's about a failure to take action.
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The guy who is in charge of everything is the FRIGGIN PRESIDENT, and he has shown us all his incompetence!
Uh...no...it would be a designate of the President, but close. The idea is just one guy to coordinate everything, and as I said I hope this commander is doing only this and is given power to act in accordance with his best well thought out, decision after much in put. But a fast efficient "doer".
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They are cherry-picked, worthless propoganda shots. What you posted would be kind of like the Iranians posting pictures of one Christian Church and claiming that they proctice religious tolerance. No one here EVER said that no booms were being used, just that there were a whole buttload available that aren't being used. But you decided that because the post wasn't a cheerleading session going "Rah, rah, rah" for Pres. Obama, that you had to jump to the defence of Your Beloved. So here's the subject under discussion - Why is it that there are all these oil containment booms available and no one is using them?? Why isn't BP using them? Why isn't the gov't either using them and billing BP or telling BP to get on the stick and buy them and put them to use?? What's the hold up?? Who's falling down on the job??

Got it?? It's not about you crying because once again someone said something that wasn't cheerleading for the President, it's about a failure to take action.
The same pictures were on Christian Science Monitor and a few other sites where I found the damned pictures of the damned oily birds.
They are using booms.
I also found out yesterday that there are places they will use them and places they will not-has to do with the depth and ecology of the area.
I know this guy in Main wants to make a buck for his state and I glory in his spunk. Hope if they need more boom (and they probably will when the **** gets to NC and maybe the Mediterranean ) they use his state's products.
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