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The double standard is still alive and kicking no matter what part of the world you live in.
Do you not know "why" there is a double standard? A "pure" woman would be a much greater prize to a man than someone who has a questionable history..
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That stagnates progress...

If no one speaks out for fear of being attacked due to their own customs, the no one speaks at all and nothing gets done to treat the worst cases...

Second, location has a lot to do with it...

If some Nigerian tribe is doing female circumcision (and with sharp rocks) in the middle of their own country, their isn't as much outrage...But that situation DRASTICALLY changes if they immigrated to Cleveland and continued that "custom" there...

That's what you're seeing in cases like this one...

Everyday, America bashers and Islam apologists like to complain how "The West" is meddling with the cultures and business of other countries (especially in the Middle east)...They say the West should keep to themselves and stop bringing their societal standards into other parts of the world...

Sadly, they don't say the very same thing when those same countries complaining about the West GO to the West and bring thier culture, which clashes with Western ideals, into that same realm...

It's a double standard...
Sounds more to me, like you have an axe to grind, while ignoring your own culture's treatment and double standard about virginity/purety and how socially women are treated who don't follow that standard...

Sure, perhaps in our culture we don't physically kill women that are engaged in pre-maritial sex...But we still stigmatize and hold a different set of standards in how we treat women who participate in it without the sanctions of marriage...

The only difference is, rather then kill the body we kill their rights, spririt, and emotions with how we treat non-virgin women to non-virgin males. And because of that double standard/treatment, we drive those females to drastic actions that result in either their deaths, their unborns deaths, or both...

So even though it's a horse of a different color, it's still a horse no matter how you try to say otherwise...

Secondly...You seem to be confusing where one lives with where one is doing social work in your tirade here...Sure, they may move here and they do have to live with our laws in regards to 'honor killing'...Which is illegal by our standards.

Obviously, there needs to be a balance made in regards to what can be done here in our own country...But even then, that doesn't stop them from not feeling the way they do, even if legally they aren't allowed to do so...Just means they know that if they follow their customs in regards to 'honor killing' that here they will pay for doing so legally...

You're thinking of total cultural snuffing of people entering this country...And that's wishful thinking on anyone's part...Just like if you were to move to their countries, even though you'd have to conform to their laws, you still wouldn't completely let go of your own cultural influences and beliefs nor would you be comfortable with your offspring adopting that country's cultural influences and would do your best to keep your culture their main influence...

And that's the situation here, in the topic you posted. Location doesn't stop one's beliefs from not being expressed or followed, even if the location they are in disagree with it.

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You can look at it a few ways...
From a "choice" standpoint a woman should be able to drop kids like puppies. It's her body....

But from a standpoint of making sure kids have a decent life and real support...A single mother should have a stigma attached to it. Life is hard enough with two parents, but a single woman who gets knocked up should be frowned upon. Lest you end up with abortion, adoption, poverty, and high taxes on those that actually pay them.
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Do you not know "why" there is a double standard? A "pure" woman would be a much greater prize to a man than someone who has a questionable history..
A 'pure' man would be a greater prize to a woman then someone who has a questionable history...

See how that works?

I follow the saying...What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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A 'pure' man would be a greater prize to a woman then someone who has a questionable history...

See how that works?

I follow the saying...What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
No I don't see how that works. Considering the mechanics of sex, it's easy to see why the receptive partner in intercourse would have the onus of purity. Not to mention that a man's offspring also come from "there". A woman's "purity" can also be physically "validated". Hence this lady having surgery.
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You can look at it a few ways...
From a "choice" standpoint a woman should be able to drop kids like puppies. It's her body....

But from a standpoint of making sure kids have a decent life and real support...A single mother should have a stigma attached to it. Life is hard enough with two parents, but a single woman who gets knocked up should be frowned upon. Lest you end up with abortion, adoption, poverty, and high taxes on those that actually pay them.
A man can impregenate more women in the 9 months it takes for a woman to have a baby, then a woman can 'drop kids like puppies' in her lifetime.

And thing is, the man who is permiscous and sleeping with several women rarely if ever takes responsibility of the kids he's possibly creating or has created in such a manner...

He's the one with the sperm...So he's just as responsible for keeping it in his pants, if not more so, then the woman.

But society gives men a free pass to be irresponsible while ostrisizing the woman for the man's actions...Double standard and pathetic. Especially in light that we're supposed to be a 'civilized' society that says women are to be treated equally to men in regards to such matters...
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A man can impregenate more women in the 9 months it takes for a woman to have a baby, then a woman can 'drop kids like puppies' in her lifetime.

And thing is, the man who is permiscous and sleeping with several women rarely if ever takes responsibility of the kids he's possibly creating or has created in such a manner...

He's the one with the sperm...So he's just as responsible for keeping it in his pants, if not more so, then the woman.

But society gives men a free pass to be irresponsible while ostrisizing the woman for the man's actions...Double standard and pathetic. Especially in light that we're supposed to be a 'civilized' society that says women are to be treated equally to men in regards to such matters...
And now you have answered your own question of why there is a double standard. Thanks.

Women have the onus to decide what to do with the pregnancy...period. Be it abortion, adoption, keeping it or whatever. You wanna talk about a double standard? There are NO easy options. But you would think that women would place the most important one, "who" they let deposit their sperm inside her, at a VERY high standard. Unfortunately many don't.....

Biology doesn't treat women equally. And the reproductive responsibility isn't distributed equally either.

If a woman wants to be a sperm receptacle, that's on her. But for many men, that's about all she is for that night(or 3 minutes). The ramifications are much more severe for the female. And no amount of social engineering is gonna rectify it.
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And now you have answered your own question of why there is a double standard. Thanks.

Women have the onus to decide what to do with the pregnancy...period. Be it abortion, adoption, keeping it or whatever. You wanna talk about a double standard? There are NO easy options. But you would think that womoen would place the most important one, "who" they let deposit their sperm inside her, at a VERY high standard. Unfortunately many don't.....

Biology doesn't treat women equally. And the reproductive responsibility isn't distributed equally either.
Where's the double standard? Any of those choices, it's solely the woman who gets blamed and treated poorly by society...

While the man, irregardless of what the woman chooses to do, gets clapped on the back for 'being a man's man', and can easily evade having any responsibility or punishment...

Heck, the man can be the one to push for the abortion and society doesn't think twice about it...But if the woman goes through with it, society calls her the killer...If she doesn't go through with it, she's trying to 'trap the man into a relationship' or 'is doing it cause she's money hungry and wants child support' from the man...

The man is treated as the victim throughout the whole thing and given hero worship. While the woman is the one treated like dirt and is blamed for the man's actions?

Men have the freedom to create as many babies as they want to with as many women as they wish and society clapping them on the back for being 'studly'...But the woman is 'the irresponsible one' in the way society reacts and treats her no matter which decision she makes that's best for her...
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Where's the double standard? Any of those choices, it's solely the woman who gets blamed and treated poorly by society...

Do you know what you just said? You just gave the double standard.....

While the man, irregardless of what the woman chooses to do, gets clapped on the back for 'being a man's man', and can easily evade having any responsibility or punishment...

What punishment should there be? You can't punish having sex can you? A man has no responsibility since his physical contribution stops right at the orgasm. Again, the woman is screwed...literally and figuratively.

Heck, the man can be the one to push for the abortion and society doesn't think twice about it...But if the woman goes through with it, society calls her the killer...If she doesn't go through with it, she's trying to 'trap the man into a relationship' or 'is doing it cause she's money hungry and wants child support' from the man...

And again, you have shown why the woman should really make sure she knows the man who she is sleeping with. It's easy to bitch about a problem, but solving them is the part that might actually hurt. And most of the men that drop kids all over town aren't worried about monetary "punishment" and you can't jail a guy for a bunch of women letting him "tap dat ass".


The man is treated as the victim throughout the whole thing and given hero worship. While the woman is the one treated like dirt and is blamed for the man's actions?

Unless she was raped, it was both of their actions. And unless she's an idiot and didn't know the ramifications, the woman IS more guilty than the man. Again, the biology is simple.

Men have the freedom to create as many babies as they want to with as many women as they wish and society clapping them on the back for being 'studly'...But the woman is 'the irresponsible one' in the way society reacts and treats her...

Nearly every living thing on the planet works like that. From plants up. The males try their best to spread the seed and the females are supposed to have a process that weeds out the weaker genetic material. Human females seem to gravititate to the losers fro some reason. Who is more irresponsible? The woman who sleeps with a man who has no intention of taking care of her or her possible offspring, or the man who just wants a nice warm place to store his penis for a few minutes but has no real care about anything beyond that?
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Here's the whole thing of 'virgin/chastity' of the female...

It has more to do with the man's ego, rather then anything to do with whether or not children born after the marriage is his. In fact, the idea of a virgin bride, does not guarentee in the least that she will remain chaste/pure or that children born afterwards is the husband's...

The fact is and remains to this day, that the idea of a virgin bride is to give the man the first taste of 'virgin soil'...For his ego to be made more sure, by being the first one to 'conquer a land that no man has been to' and the bride's virginity is his 'prize of conquering'.

And that is why, even in today's Western culture, that men are rewarded for sexual conquests and women are punished for being 'the conquered'...And the reason for the term 'War of the Sexes'...Because men want and expect to be the victors while women remain the 'prizes'. It's also why society rewards the man for being premiscious while punishing the woman for doing so herself.
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