Is it brave to let Osama sit in Pakistan when we pretty much know where he and his supporters live? Or do you turn tail and start a fight with someone you assumed you could defeat easily? When Clinton went in to Yugoslavia Bush said "The President owes the American people an exit strategy".

By the way what are our goals in Iraq? They are ever changing.

If I thought Billo had the balls to respond I would tell him to his face. But its not about my bravery and I shouldn't have made it a mano y mano thing. What I meant to say is I have seen his type before. All bluster and zero real balls.

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Politicians come from the people(i.e consumers)...

What they do is reflective of society...If they are assholes, remember that they are taken from a pool of assholes...

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well, then, in other words, there is no hope - nor any point whatsoever in discussing anything since it will never change?

It will change when society raises it's bar as to who they want to represent them...

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Bravery comes in many forms. Sometimes it is just standing up to a daily onslaught of idiots and misguided fools. Other times it is more death defying. For some just to join the functioning world takes all that they have(some handicapped people fit this group) for others it is so easy that they don't even see how hard it can be for others. Bravery and foolishness can be juxtaposed. Most true bravery is not recognized and is often mocked.

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Yes I am suggesting we should have gone after OBL. Even in Pakistan. By the way they attacked us. Or have you forgotten.

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Doesn't work that way...

Here's the full story which I've written previously...

If we were to just go into Pakistan and start kicking ass and taking names (Like Obama, and now you, have suggested), the radical elements could very well end up being the ones in control of their nuclear arsenal...

Bin laden is caught, but nuclear weapons are now given to enemies of the US and/or shot off themselves...

The #1 terrorist caught...Hundreds of thousands(maybe millions) of innocents dead...

Horrible option...

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I have taken that in to consideration. Today it looks difficult. But when we were on the hunt we were at the zenith of our international support. We would have been supported by most of the world. And that would have been enough pressure to force the Paks in to helping.
And by the way remember when the POTUS talked about countries that harbor terrorists. Do you think that AlQueda recruitment would have gone up had we shown the resolve that he spoke about.
Everything that we did as far as going in to Iraq has had the exact opposet effect. Recruitment went up. Hostility towards my country has grown even among our allies.
And I would add that there is a better chance of the radicals taking over Pakistan now then there was then.

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