Political Wrinkles  

Go Back   Political Wrinkles > General Forum > Open Discussion
Register FAQDonate PW Store PW Trivia Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Open Discussion Discuss Obama to outline biofuels strategy. at the General Forum; President Barack Obama on Wednesday will outline a government strategy to boost development of U.S. biofuels and address their environmental ...

Reply
 
Share LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 02-03-2010, 06:00 AM
Intern
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 3
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Obama to outline biofuels strategy.

President Barack Obama on Wednesday will outline a government strategy to boost development of U.S. biofuels and address their environmental challenges, an administration official said.

The strategy will be laid out in a report titled "Growing America's Fuel" by the Biofuels Interagency Working Group, a body the president established to help spur investment in biofuels and make the industry more environmentally friendly.

Obama and members of his cabinet are scheduled to meet on Wednesday with a handful of state governors to discuss energy policy and the "opportunities and challenges presented by the transition to a clean energy economy," the official said.

The president is pushing for the United States to overhaul its energy habits by switching to less-polluting fuels and reducing its dependence on foreign oil.

Boosting production of home-grown biofuels, such as ethanol, would help achieve that while also creating jobs in rural regions of the United States as the country battles double digit unemployment, the administration argues.

The president may touch on other energy policies such as technology for capturing and storing carbon emissions during the meeting with governors.

Obama charged the biofuels working group, which includes the leaders of the Department of Agriculture, Department of Energy, and the Environmental Protection Agency, with retooling the nation's policies toward biofuels in many areas.

The group was asked to develop a strategy to increase biofuel production, investment in the industry, and the use of "flex fuel" cars, which can run on either gasoline or fuel that is mostly ethanol.

Biofuels, which are made from biomass -- organic matter such as wood, crops and animal waste -- are used to power vehicles, but critics do not see them as the perfect replacement to high-polluting fossil fuels.

Environmentalists and some scientists say production of U.S. biofuels from corn and other grains can drive out production of other crops, forcing farmers in other countries to burn down forests and clear land to grow those crops -- creating new sources of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas blamed for global warming.
__________________
best 8gb micro sd card
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 02-03-2010, 09:56 AM
faithful_servant's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Beautiful conservative Central Oregon
Gender: Male
Posts: 19,290
Thanks: 6,030
Thanked 8,067 Times in 5,535 Posts
Default Re: Obama to outline biofuels strategy.

Please produce more ethanol and destroy more tropical rainforest. You are aware that in Brazil the #1 cause of rainforest/wetland destruction is to acquire more land to grow fuel crops, aren't you?? How about we pull more food out of the supply chain to fuel our cars (at a substantially lowered efficiency) and raise food prices. That's what this is really about, you know. It's about raising crop prices to try to pull the fly-over states back to the Dem. party. So we raise food costs for everyone in the world and lower th esupply of available food that could be going to starving kids in Africa in order to play political games. The other bio-mass sources are so inefficient that they aren't really worth discussing.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 02-04-2010, 02:55 AM
saltwn's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Esto perpetua
Posts: 83,248
Thanks: 56,001
Thanked 26,465 Times in 18,960 Posts
Send a message via AIM to saltwn Send a message via MSN to saltwn Send a message via Yahoo to saltwn
Default Re: Obama to outline biofuels strategy.

It's a step in the right direction to promote alternative fuels that do not further pollute the earth sky and water.
China has a robust economy some may envy here but their air quality sucks to the max.
__________________
For too long in this society, we have celebrated unrestrained individualism over common community. For too long as a nation, we have been lulled by the anthem of self-interest. For a decade, led by Ronald Reagan, self-aggrandizement has been the full-throated cry of this society: 'I've got mine, so why don't you get yours' and 'What's in it for me?'
Joe Biden c1987
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 02-04-2010, 03:05 AM
cnredd's Avatar
Administrator
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Philadelphia
Gender: Male
Posts: 55,819
Thanks: 2,295
Thanked 36,517 Times in 20,765 Posts
Default Re: Obama to outline biofuels strategy.

Quote:
Originally Posted by saltwn View Post
It's a step in the right direction to promote alternative fuels that do not further pollute the earth sky and water.
Not if the damage done destroys the economy and turns this country into a simpering squaler...

"Yeah...We now have 30% unemployment and utility bills are up 500% in the last decade, but hey!...Mommy Nature likes us now!"...
__________________
"You get the respect that you give" - cnredd
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 02-04-2010, 03:09 AM
saltwn's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Esto perpetua
Posts: 83,248
Thanks: 56,001
Thanked 26,465 Times in 18,960 Posts
Send a message via AIM to saltwn Send a message via MSN to saltwn Send a message via Yahoo to saltwn
Default Re: Obama to outline biofuels strategy.

Quote:
Originally Posted by cnredd View Post
Not if the damage done destroys the economy and turns this country into a simpering squaler...

"Yeah...We now have 30% unemployment and utility bills are up 500% in the last decade, but hey!...Mommy Nature likes us now!"...
If not now when?
When a Republican gets back into office. Don't make me laugh.
You can creat jobs as easily over bio as diesel fuel. A job's a job.
__________________
For too long in this society, we have celebrated unrestrained individualism over common community. For too long as a nation, we have been lulled by the anthem of self-interest. For a decade, led by Ronald Reagan, self-aggrandizement has been the full-throated cry of this society: 'I've got mine, so why don't you get yours' and 'What's in it for me?'
Joe Biden c1987
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 02-04-2010, 06:47 AM
Rush L's Avatar
megalacon
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,612
Thanks: 577
Thanked 688 Times in 455 Posts
Default Re: Obama to outline biofuels strategy.

I live in the shadow of Michigan State Univ. They have an open house every year, so I took the kids and saw the sights. It was great. They are a major researcher in biofuels in the world and as luch would have it one of the research scientist was there promoting their research. So we had a nice conservation about production, refinement, efficient use, carbon emession and fuel distribution.

First of all, every "bio" fuel emits carbon. Sometimes not less, but more. The next huge problem is the ammount of water consumed by our current crops for fuel production. The next problem is the ammount of energy consumed to refine(heat) raw materials into usable fuel. At this point it is a negative energy use loop. In the near future we will reduce the ammount of heat needed by using an enzyne that will create alcohol naturally but that will require more storage and time in the refinement process.

Bottom line is that burning any fuel/food is a waste of time if the goal is carbon reduction.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Rush L For This Useful Post:
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 02-04-2010, 09:48 AM
faithful_servant's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Beautiful conservative Central Oregon
Gender: Male
Posts: 19,290
Thanks: 6,030
Thanked 8,067 Times in 5,535 Posts
Default Re: Obama to outline biofuels strategy.

Quote:
Originally Posted by saltwn View Post
It's a step in the right direction to promote alternative fuels that do not further pollute the earth sky and water.
China has a robust economy some may envy here but their air quality sucks to the max.
Ethanol produces substantial pollution in the form of all the fertilizers/pesticides/herbicides/fungicides used to grow them productively. The use of food crops/land to produce fuel means that there's less food being produced and that means less food available for people who need it. I know you're a liberal and such long-term thinking is outside your abilities, but please listen to a conservative who thinks long term. Putting farmland to work growing corn/sugar cane for ethanol is a bad idea over the long haul. Alomost every step in the process from growing to fermetnation/distilling to the actual burning of the ethanol produces the most powerful greenhouse gas known to man. The one greenhouse gas that over-rides all others to the point that in all reality they are almost insignificant. I'm talking water vapor, salty. Want to change man-made GW/CC, cut the artifical production of water vapor.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 02-05-2010, 04:49 AM
saltwn's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Esto perpetua
Posts: 83,248
Thanks: 56,001
Thanked 26,465 Times in 18,960 Posts
Send a message via AIM to saltwn Send a message via MSN to saltwn Send a message via Yahoo to saltwn
Default Re: Obama to outline biofuels strategy.

Quote:
Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
Ethanol produces substantial pollution in the form of all the fertilizers/pesticides/herbicides/fungicides used to grow them productively. The use of food crops/land to produce fuel means that there's less food being produced and that means less food available for people who need it. I know you're a liberal and such long-term thinking is outside your abilities, but please listen to a conservative who thinks long term. Putting farmland to work growing corn/sugar cane for ethanol is a bad idea over the long haul. Alomost every step in the process from growing to fermetnation/distilling to the actual burning of the ethanol produces the most powerful greenhouse gas known to man. The one greenhouse gas that over-rides all others to the point that in all reality they are almost insignificant. I'm talking water vapor, salty. Want to change man-made GW/CC, cut the artifical production of water vapor.
Long term, we need to get away from dependence on foreign oil. Long term we need to stop spewing oil based by product into the air. Long term we need a DIVERSE energy policy that includes bio, solar, wind, natural gas, coal and fossil fuel.
Put that in your iddy-biddy conservative man's brain, ff, and SMOKE IT!
__________________
For too long in this society, we have celebrated unrestrained individualism over common community. For too long as a nation, we have been lulled by the anthem of self-interest. For a decade, led by Ronald Reagan, self-aggrandizement has been the full-throated cry of this society: 'I've got mine, so why don't you get yours' and 'What's in it for me?'
Joe Biden c1987
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 02-05-2010, 06:37 AM
Rush L's Avatar
megalacon
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Kalamazoo, MI
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,612
Thanks: 577
Thanked 688 Times in 455 Posts
Default Re: Obama to outline biofuels strategy.

Our foriegn oil is Canadian, Mexican and some S American. We import little from the ME.

.Anything you burn will effect the atmosphere.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 02-05-2010, 07:34 AM
saltwn's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Esto perpetua
Posts: 83,248
Thanks: 56,001
Thanked 26,465 Times in 18,960 Posts
Send a message via AIM to saltwn Send a message via MSN to saltwn Send a message via Yahoo to saltwn
Default Re: Obama to outline biofuels strategy.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rush L View Post
Our foriegn oil is Canadian, Mexican and some S American. We import little from the ME.

.Anything you burn will effect the atmosphere.
Our oil companies are also in the middle east and yes they sell it to us directly and indirectly as well as to Europe. Good that we are getting some from our neighbors. But the market is too high having one provider. Like Ma Bell.
__________________
For too long in this society, we have celebrated unrestrained individualism over common community. For too long as a nation, we have been lulled by the anthem of self-interest. For a decade, led by Ronald Reagan, self-aggrandizement has been the full-throated cry of this society: 'I've got mine, so why don't you get yours' and 'What's in it for me?'
Joe Biden c1987
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
biofuels, obama, outline, strategy

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:42 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0