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Off-Topic Discuss Impeach Cheney at the General Discussion; Originally Posted by tecoyah Well....there is this: http://kucinich.house.gov/UploadedFiles/int2.pdf Congressman Dennis Kucinich That amused me because a specific legal charge means ...

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That amused me because a specific legal charge means to cite a specific law that has been broken and in that entire manifesto there was.......NONE.

Signatures at the end? Oh it wasn't even a petition.
Didn't even get into committee let alone out huh? Oh. It was only on one congressman's website he didn't even bring it up to the floor of the house.
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If GW was accused by a woman of sexual misconduct while he was governor of Texas and she sued him for it. This started before he even began to run for president. He then fought her about whether or not she had that RIGHT to attempt to sue him all the way to the SCOTUS and they determined that he did have to face that suit. He then in facing this CIVIL RIGHTS LAWSUIT (he was a public official as he "hung it in her face without invitation" and because of her job considered her superior) refused to testify, lied, obfuscated and tricked his lawyer into filing a false affidavit. His staff denigrates, mocks and just plain trashes the innocent victim. He and his staff goes on TV(using that bully pulpit) to do this with he, himself doing a finger pointing lie about the exact testimony he was giving.

Never mind. This old argument is so boring but as you say he was just LYING about a BJ because you just can't see that he was infringing on a citizens civil rights and she was just trash anyway.
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If GW was accused by a woman of sexual misconduct while he was governor of Texas and she sued him for it. This started before he even began to run for president. He then fought her about whether or not she had that RIGHT to attempt to sue him all the way to the SCOTUS and they determined that he did have to face that suit. He then in facing this CIVIL RIGHTS LAWSUIT (he was a public official as he "hung it in her face without invitation" and because of her job considered her superior) refused to testify, lied, obfuscated and tricked his lawyer into filing a false affidavit. His staff denigrates, mocks and just plain trashes the innocent victim. He and his staff goes on TV(using that bully pulpit) to do this with he, himself doing a finger pointing lie about the exact testimony he was giving.

Never mind. This old argument is so boring but as you say he was just LYING about a BJ because you just can't see that he was infringing on a citizens civil rights and she was just trash anyway.
You are confusing two separate cases. Monika was a willing participant. Clinton was impeached for lying about her. Paula J I think is the name of the one that said he made unwarranted sexual advances when she went to his hotel room before he was prez. They are two different cases. If a prez attempted unsolicited sex that would be more serious than a girl who was doing what she freely chose which is the case with Lew.
Just thought I'd clear that up.
I don't have a prob w/ Chaney or Bush II. I did have one with Regan, but he's dead-not much more you can do to the bustard at this point.
But seriously-many Republicans and Independents as well as Dems thought the whole Clinton impeachment a farce and a waste of money.
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If GW was accused by a woman of sexual misconduct while he was governor of Texas and she sued him for it. This started before he even began to run for president. He then fought her about whether or not she had that RIGHT to attempt to sue him all the way to the SCOTUS and they determined that he did have to face that suit. He then in facing this CIVIL RIGHTS LAWSUIT (he was a public official as he "hung it in her face without invitation" and because of her job considered her superior) refused to testify, lied, obfuscated and tricked his lawyer into filing a false affidavit. His staff denigrates, mocks and just plain trashes the innocent victim. He and his staff goes on TV(using that bully pulpit) to do this with he, himself doing a finger pointing lie about the exact testimony he was giving.

Never mind. This old argument is so boring but as you say he was just LYING about a BJ because you just can't see that he was infringing on a citizens civil rights and she was just trash anyway.
Did the judicial system do its job? But in the end this was a personal misconduct case that didn't involve sending men and woman to die. Many of the presidents have had affairs with woman. Many when asked would have denied it. I don't know why that seems difficult to savvy. And what we learn is that small lies can spin out of control. What was he trying to do? Cover a personal embarrasment.

What has been Bush and Cheneys motives?
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You are confusing two separate cases.Nope. Thats were he got away with fooling most people. This was testimony that Paula Jones' lawyers got admitted so as to prove Bill's history of similar incidents. Monika was a willing participant.Still a 19 year old intern in his office. Clinton was impeached for lying about her. Paula J I think is the name of the one that said he made unwarranted sexual advances when she went to his hotel room before he was prez. They are two different cases.Only two different cases because Paula was NOT part of the "charges for impeachment". If a prez attempted unsolicited sex that would be more serious than a girl who was doing what she freely chose which is the case with Lew.
Just thought I'd clear that up.I was already clear and Bills charges are the result of what he did at Paulas hearing which by the way he finally settled out of court after DIVIDING THE COUNTRY.
I don't have a prob w/ Chaney or Bush II. I did have one with Regan, but he's dead-not much more you can do to the bustard at this point.
But seriously-many Republicans and Independents as well as Dems thought the whole Clinton impeachment a farce and a waste of money.
The impeachment was a total waste of time and money but if you recall when it became public that Bill had taken advantage of a 19 year old intern about 80% of America thought that he should resign. Can I say Foley Foley guacamole, or Craig smaig.
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Did the judicial system do its job? NO. It was not allowed to because someone lied in court and the plaintiff never got a fair trial because of it. He was later disbarred and found in contempt for causing this but the plaintiff did not get the fair trial that the supreme court promised her.But in the end this was a personal misconduct case that didn't involve sending men and woman to die. Murder is a personal misconduct case too....so they are actually of the same categoryMany of the presidents have had affairs with woman. Many when asked would have denied it. I don't know why that seems difficult to savvy.But only one has had to lie about it in court And what we learn is that small lies can spin out of control. What was he trying to do? Cover a personal embarrasment.If all he wanted was to cover it up he should have PAID OFF(these usually come with "hush" agreements and no admissions) sometime in the 7 years that he fought it even all the way to SCOTUS. The CRIME he committed was IN COURT, under oath, While president of the US but lets not bring in the 3 branches and checks and balance of powers.

What has been Bush and Cheneys motives?
To do their job in an outstanding effort to PROTECT us from the enemy.
So who had the better motives?
And forget that nonsense of Halliburton, Exxon, Dad, etc.
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The impeachment was a total waste of time and money but if you recall when it became public that Bill had taken advantage of a 19 year old intern about 80% of America thought that he should resign. Can I say Foley Foley guacamole, or Craig smaig.
Why are we even talking about Clinton. This thread is about Cheney and his lies. Why do you want to keep bringing up Clinton? Reagan lied. Bush Sr. lied. Nixon lied. The only one I can name that was fairly honest in recent times is Carter and look what good it did.
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The impeachment was a total waste of time and money but if you recall when it became public that Bill had taken advantage of a 19 year old intern about 80% of America thought that he should resign.No I don't remember that one. Of the people I heard talking about it most said the news was frivolous and should never have been dug up by a prosecuter supposedly investigating real estate stuff Can I say Foley Foley guacamole, or Craig smaig.
This 19 year old woman knew exactly what the heck she was doing. As I may have mentioned, I myself married my husband at the ripe old age of 15. He was 27. We have four kids. (If we don't still know what we're doing it's because we are getting so old we don't know when we fart-but I digress).
I am not trying to blame Monica as I'm sure some have tried to do. I'm simply saying this was two consenting adults. She was attracted to power and he was attracted to puntain.
I didn't know Paula Jones stuff was introduced in the impeachment stuff. I thought that was a separate case.
And speaking of Paula and all the other "sexually harassed" women out there, I have truly been sexually harassed on the job and if I couldn't clear it up with my supervisor-Know what I did? I cold cocked the sun a mitch.
I certainly would not follow a man to his hotel room -Duh.
But as I have said soooo many times before, thank God for my raising. Pity these poor slobs who can't make a move much less a dime without dragging up a lawsuit on some horny old fart.
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This 19 year old woman knew exactly what the heck she was doing. As I may have mentioned, I myself married my husband at the ripe old age of 15. He was 27. We have four kids. (If we don't still know what we're doing it's because we are getting so old we don't know when we fart-but I digress).
I am not trying to blame Monica as I'm sure some have tried to do. I'm simply saying this was two consenting adults. She was attracted to power and he was attracted to puntain.
I didn't know Paula Jones stuff was introduced in the impeachment stuff.THIS is exactly what I mean. Most people have no idea what the case was. Paula Jones sued Bill in Arkansas before he became president. When he got elected prez he said that she therefore could not sue him because he was President and thus above the law. This battle went to the SCOTUS with Bill losing. When it came time for Bill to testify in this suit he lied obfuscated etc....Because of the lies he was brought before a grand jury in DC where he AGAIN lied and obfuscated there and this second set of lies and obfuscations is what his impeachment was about. All he did then was trick a lot of people into thinking it was all about a BJ. I thought that was a separate case.Yepper! Sho nuff. He lied in two different legal cases. One where he finally paid off because he would have lost it on evidence and one where the senate did not even consider the evidence(the case was proven by the house in its prosecution phase of the trial)
And speaking of Paula and all the other "sexually harassed" women out there, I have truly been sexually harassed on the job and if I couldn't clear it up with my supervisor-Know what I did? I cold cocked the sun a mitch.Beautiful
I certainly would not follow a man to his hotel room -Duh.Yea So if the governor asks you to come to his office/room to discuss your working with him on something you should just KNOW that the governor is gonna "drop his pants if you do"
But as I have said soooo many times before, thank God for my raising. Pity these poor slobs who can't make a move much less a dime without dragging up a lawsuit on some horny old fart.
Thats the biggest problem with sexual harassment suits. They always seem to be She said/He said. Proof is tough especially if one party is allowed to lie without accountability. This is why I often wonder about the women's rights groups that so adamantly supported Bill.
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Thats the biggest problem with sexual harassment suits. They always seem to be She said/He said. Proof is tough especially if one party is allowed to lie without accountability. This is why I often wonder about the women's rights groups that so adamantly supported Bill.
Bill Clinton again? This is about Cheney. Does it just happen automatically or do you do it on purpose?
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