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Old 11-18-2019, 12:27 PM
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Not really. I'm just employing the adage of Samuel Clemons who said, "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
surprised you like an author who so often made the case against inequality. you're making progress.
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surprised you like an author who so often made the case against inequality. you're making progress.
He lkes to pretend to be an intellectual by quoting progressives when he actually never read anything they ever wrote much less understood it. Just look at his avatar. The fact that he unironicly uses Thomas Paine would be funny if he wasn't such useful idiot.
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He lkes to pretend to be an intellectual by quoting progressives when he actually never read anything they ever wrote much less understood it. Just look at his avatar. The fact that he unironicly uses Thomas Paine would be funny if he wasn't such useful idiot.
It looks like RedState's mommy and daddy left the computer on again.
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It looks like RedState's mommy and daddy left the computer on again.
Here is a quote for you that I wish you might take to heart:

"Indifference is more guilty than violence itself. It is the moral apathy of those who turn away from others: it also happens today with racism and other horrors of the world. Memory is like a vaccine against indifference."
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I'm no Trump fan but the idea that Ambassadors and State Dept reps don't do shady or corrupt crap. And that there aren't multiple official and unofficial back channels to various governments is just lie or naively ignorant.
(Anyone seen some of those private emails from Hillary?)

2 other points of context 1. Ambassadors serve at the will (or whim) of the Presidents and 2. the State Dept is as notorious as the CIA for running its agendas despite who is the CiC.

Concerning her comments about illegalities. Ok , what exactly was illegal?
What did Trump want her to do that was really against the law. As apposed to something she didn't like policy wise or a procedural/protocol move?
She mention corruption. Ok what Exactly was SHE a wittiness to?
Vague and lame accusations are all I'm seeing here form Her and the Dems. Another nothing burger.
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her beef was he had the right to remove her but why did he malign her reputation.
As piss poor as that is, maligning her reputation is not a crime. Or something worthy of impeachment. or worthy to bring up in an congressioanl trial.

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and now we know. TO SEND A MESSAGE TO OTHER HONEST OFFICIALS.
Ok, so, how do we know this exactly?
Trump maligns a LOT of people in Tweets on TV in meetings I'm not sure how any one can KNOW that in this case he did it to "send a message". Seems to me anyone that seen Trump operate for the past 3 yearrs already knows that he capable of pissing all over folks who work for him when he doesn't like something they say or do.


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she was impeding his hired goons with Guliani and the three amigos because she was against corruption. [
Ok Guiliani is a goon. And there was/is corruption in the Ukraine. the ins and outs of what she was doing and what effect it had on what Trumps actions I'm still fuzzy on but again still ,it's a nothing burger, the US State Dept and ambassadors work with corrupt gov'ts e-v-e-r-y-d-a-y. Have throughout both R&D admins. Just depends on presidential and/or "establishment" policies of the day. I'm not sure that her outrage here completely justified.

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Trump wanted Ukraine's president to go on CNN and say they were opening an investigation into the Bidens.
go on CNN? How do we know this?
Did he want dirt on Biden. Sure. Sadly It's what politicians do.

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THAT WAY, trump couldn't get impeached for this.
impeached for what? Talking to a foreign leader about corruption in his country? Corruption that might involve an American VP and his family?
I'm not sure what impeachable offense is here.

Frankly if there was corruption I'd like to Know.

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actually joe Biden had helped get rid of a corrupt prosecutor.
Ok hmm, maybe, but that's not the whole story.


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also, trump wanted his henchmen to somehow make it look like Ukraine interfered in our elections instead of Russia.
There's been evidence about Ukraine based ad farms from the beginning that helped create those handful of POWERFUL internet ads like -how a vote for Hillary is a vote for Satan-.

BTW Russian Didn't interfere with the elections any more than you did.
Muller went over that.

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the US worked hard to get a decent president duly elected in Ukraine
So we interefered in the Ukraine election process is what you're saying?

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also to fight corruption there because it is in our interest that Russia not take over any more countries.
So we interfered in their gov't so Russia wouldn't interfere in ways we don't like for some reason that still escapes me. since we are not at war with Russia last i checked.


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double-crossing a vulnerable Ukraine will make other countries think twice before believing us. sO THAT HURTS OUR NATIONAL SECURITY.
Any nation that would trust the U.S. gov't to look out for anything but U.S. interest and the poltics of it's current CiC is not thinking clearly.

Our national security is fine.
Our "peaceful" foreign policy has been jacked up for decades.
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