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Old 08-04-2020, 06:28 PM
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Most cities/municipalities will grant permits to protests that allow them to occupy a space or street for their protest with consent of the authorities.
Which questionable constitutional on it's face isn't?
You have to get permission from the gov't you're protesting... to protest?


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But to intentionally occupy spaces for traffic, not a park or a lawn, but a highway, is pushing too far. It is not up to you or me to decide who should or should not be inconvenienced. It is public property and should not be reserved for any one group. There are many other places to protest.
Yes there are many places to protest an usually protesters are NOT on the highway. But as a Public space seems it's as ligit as any other.
as far as who gets to choose who's inconvenienced. seems to me any smart protest would try to pick the most effective spots.
wherever they might be. Usually NOT the highway.


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I completely agree.
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If they did it intentionally by standing in the street and blocking traffic, they too should have been fined/arrested/ticketed whatever. However, simply having so many show up that it caused congestion while they are in their vehicles on a road designed for vehicles, it a far cry different that protesters on foot, standing in the road blocking traffic. Apples and Oranges.
See i've got little problem with either.

It make little sense to me to clog the courts with some minor offense like blocking traffic for an hour or 2. Much less have cops waste time arresting people for it. Fining, Arresting or jailing people for exercising constitutional rights no less.
Sorry, I'd like to at least PRETEND that we still have some freedoms.
I still like to imagine that the whole U.S. is a Free Speech Zone. Not just gov't designated areas, at gov't designated times... with a permission slip and fee to the "authorities".



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Unlawful "orders" from a Governor are a different ballgame. A Governor mandating an order does not make it a law. I openly defy our Governor's "orders" as they are not codified in law. I have yet to have anyone try to enforce it on me.
not yet.. I pray it stays that way.
But still in general, many of the rules on the books in states and locals are not "laws".


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Really? Show me where this is backed up in our Constitution. People have the right to peaceably assemble and voice their opinion. However, breaking the law is another story. I don't care what your cause is, unless the law or policy being protested is itself un-Constitutional, there is no excuse for breaking the law. And those that do should be held to account for their actions.
Yes, there are, as you say, when the LAW is unlawful or unconstitutional.
See the declaration of independence.
Also when the laws are simply foolish or go against one's moral or religious principals.
the Law is not God.
Examples: As in Freeing and harboring run away slaves. Not Snitching on Jews to Nazis. And at a much lower level Driving faster than the speed limit and running red lights to get someone to the hospital. Not baking a cake for a sin based "wedding". And I suspect very soon we will see people illegally "interfering" with police who appear to be crossing the line with perps. and not just taking pictures.


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What law says I have to take a vaccine? See my comments above.
none... yet.
But they've been proposed.
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If you are a peaceful protester How exactly are you supposed to know if other people that show up on the scene are rioters Manitou?
I can't believe I need to clarify what I said.

Look:

I said, "Real protestors do not hang around mixing with rioting dickheads."

Now, as soon as you notice some ass hole breaking things, fighting others, and generally making a complete shlthead out of himself, and you, the peaceful protestor, are in his vicinity,

Get the Hell out of Dodge!
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Which questionable constitutional on it's face isn't?
You have to get permission from the gov't you're protesting... to protest?
No, it's a matter of allowing for the protesters to voice their concerns without negatively affecting other people who need to go about their day.

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Yes there are many places to protest an usually protesters are NOT on the highway. But as a Public space seems it's as ligit as any other.
as far as who gets to choose who's inconvenienced. seems to me any smart protest would try to pick the most effective spots.
wherever they might be.
Usually NOT the highway.
So, if I get a group of people to stand at the end of your driveway to protest something, not allowing you to leave the house to go to work or any place else you may need to go, you would be good with that?

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See i've got little problem with either.

It make little sense to me to clog the courts with some minor offense like blocking traffic for an hour or 2. Much less have cops waste time arresting people for it. Fining, Arresting or jailing people for exercising constitutional rights no less.
Sorry, I'd like to at least PRETEND that we still have some freedoms.
I still like to imagine that the whole U.S. is a Free Speech Zone. Not just gov't designated areas, at gov't designated times... with a permission slip and fee to the "authorities".
You do have freedoms in this country. However, you don't have the right to infringe upon my rights to exercise yours. It is that simple.

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not yet.. I pray it stays that way.
But still in general, many of the rules on the books in states and locals are not "laws".
If they are codified in the local legal code, they are laws and should be followed. If they are un-Constitutional, they should be repealed. If they are un-Constitutional and excessively burdensome, the people should actively work to have then changed and appeal to law enforcement to refuse to enforce them. Such as local Sheriffs in the state of Washington I believe, saying they would not enforce certain gun restrictions passed by the state legislature that appear to be un-Constitutional.

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Yes, there are, as you say, when the LAW is unlawful or unconstitutional.
See the declaration of independence.
Also when the laws are simply foolish or go against one's moral or religious principals.
the Law is not God.
Examples: As in Freeing and harboring run away slaves. Not Snitching on Jews to Nazis. And at a much lower level Driving faster than the speed limit and running red lights to get someone to the hospital. Not baking a cake for a sin based "wedding". And I suspect very soon we will see people illegally "interfering" with police who appear to be crossing the line with perps. and not just taking pictures.
The examples you listed are extreme examples but none the less are important. However, there is a way to protest to get your views heard that does not involve breaking the law and infringing upon the rights of others.

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none... yet.
But they've been proposed.
And if they are, I will most likely be breaking that law as it will be un-Constitutional.
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So, if I get a group of people to stand at the end of your driveway to protest something, not allowing you to leave the house to go to work or any place else you may need to go, you would be good with that?


You do have freedoms in this country. However, you don't have the right to infringe upon my rights to exercise yours. It is that simple.



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So, if I get a group of people to stand at the end of your driveway to protest something, not allowing you to leave the house to go to work or any place else you may need to go, you would be good with that?
You mean like quarantining healthy people to their homes?
Are we saying that's something illegal?
I'd agree.
But i'd be fine with protesting in front of a home on the public sidewalk or even IN the street.
However blocking someone IN their home or yard I'd consider criminal.
But something like that is not really what either of us was talking about though.

As far as what my, your and our rights are when it comes to literally inconveniences and delays. Rather than outright HARM, I think the lines are blurred and "the law" and authorities makes are in fact arbitrary in enforcement.

here's the question, Is the right to protest by default subject to what someone feels is their "right" to ride down a certain road at a certain time every morning?
Or do the the 2 rights conflict and does it allow for ACCOMMODATION?
Accommodation is part of our legal process and frankly human kindness that simply realizes that, occasionally, we all may have to make some space for others to exercise their rights.
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Real protestors do not hang around mixing with rioting dickheads.
right, but when these newly deputized "cops" show up they don't seem to always know the difference.
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