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And the fact that the only thing you see is 'a TV show host', just as people refer to Obama as the 'first black President', that they have a mono-focus and are unable to see anything other than what they are directed to see.

Have you ever started a business yourself?

Failure only happens when you stop trying. Getting up and trying again means you move forward.

Perhaps you never understood that.
Yes, Trump wasn’t just a TV game show host. He was also a really terrible businessman. He got hundreds of millions of dollars from his father (primarily through allegedly fraudulent tax scams) and then poorly invested that money in a series of dumb business ventures. He lost money and drove a number of business ventures under. His reputation in the New York real estate and banking world was of a chump with a lot of cash. By all accounts, the Trump Organization was in terrible shape when Mark Burnett basically saved them by launching the Apprentice. The bulk of his money in the last decade plus has come from marketing his name, which had some value only thanks to the Apprentice.
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Nothing wrong with pete being married to another guy. Itfloats his boat but not that of most others.

However, Sanders is hardly the same level of socialist which FDR practiced. that FDR was re-elected four times had more to do with the war and little to do with his policies. As for the comparison to Bernie, only in the broadest definition of the term are they the same.
1. We didn't enter the war until 1941, FDR had already entered his third term by then.

2. There are pretty specific similarities, especially when you compare FDR's 2nd Bill of Rights with Bernie's platform. They both believe(d) in public healthcare for all, a minimum wage as something livable, a federal jobs guarantee, housing as a right, adequate economic security for retirees, transformation infrastructure programs, and a right to a good education. Honestly Bernie should start touting himself as a real New Deal Democrat, because he's the closest thing to the original we've had since the original.


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FDR was about safety nets and was against unionizing government employees.
Bernie is about government takeover of key industries as they did no Fascist Italy, and of late in Venezuela.
And there it is, Venezuela. Sorry, but Bernie is not pitching anything resembling Venezuela. He's not trying to nationalize the major manufacturing industries, or grocery stores, like they did over there. His healthcare plan doesn't even "take over" healthcare.

It's Medicare, for all.

Private hospitals, doctors, etc., all stay private.

Really between NHS-style socialized medicine and our "free market" system, it's a good compromise.

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Historically, no where in the world has Bernie's form of "socialism," ever worked out. Or survived for long.
The various shades of universal healthcare among the modern nations have worked for a pretty long time, and they're proven to be much more efficient and cost-effective than our system. We pay twice as much, and cover less of our populations, with tens of million uninsured or underinsured. Many of those nations also offer either tuition-free or nearly-free college to their students. It's not bankrupting them or forcing them to eat their pets.

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For the record, Venezuela is a perfect example of how that system works out in real life. I do hope you are not suggesting that is what America needs to be.
Since Bernie's vision for America is most certainly not Venezuela, you're just wrong on that one. And no, I'm not for mimicking the current right-wing boogeyman trotted out anytime someone says we should improve society somewhat. Single-payer health insurance didn't cause Venezuela's collapse, nor did tuition-free higher education, nor did installing solar panels.
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1. We didn't enter the war until 1941, FDR had already entered his third term by then.

2. There are pretty specific similarities, especially when you compare FDR's 2nd Bill of Rights with Bernie's platform. They both believe(d) in public healthcare for all, a minimum wage as something livable, a federal jobs guarantee, housing as a right, adequate economic security for retirees, transformation infrastructure programs, and a right to a good education. Honestly Bernie should start touting himself as a real New Deal Democrat, because he's the closest thing to the original we've had since the original.




And there it is, Venezuela. Sorry, but Bernie is not pitching anything resembling Venezuela. He's not trying to nationalize the major manufacturing industries, or grocery stores, like they did over there. His healthcare plan doesn't even "take over" healthcare.

It's Medicare, for all.

Private hospitals, doctors, etc., all stay private.

Really between NHS-style socialized medicine and our "free market" system, it's a good compromise.



The various shades of universal healthcare among the modern nations have worked for a pretty long time, and they're proven to be much more efficient and cost-effective than our system. We pay twice as much, and cover less of our populations, with tens of million uninsured or underinsured. Many of those nations also offer either tuition-free or nearly-free college to their students. It's not bankrupting them or forcing them to eat their pets.



Since Bernie's vision for America is most certainly not Venezuela, you're just wrong on that one. And no, I'm not for mimicking the current right-wing boogeyman trotted out anytime someone says we should improve society somewhat. Single-payer health insurance didn't cause Venezuela's collapse, nor did tuition-free higher education, nor did installing solar panels.



I had to wear my boots to read all that socialist bullshlt in the above post.
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1. We didn't enter the war until 1941, FDR had already entered his third term by then.

2. There are pretty specific similarities, especially when you compare FDR's 2nd Bill of Rights with Bernie's platform. They both believe(d) in public healthcare for all, a minimum wage as something livable, a federal jobs guarantee, housing as a right, adequate economic security for retirees, transformation infrastructure programs, and a right to a good education. Honestly Bernie should start touting himself as a real New Deal Democrat, because he's the closest thing to the original we've had since the original.




And there it is, Venezuela. Sorry, but Bernie is not pitching anything resembling Venezuela. He's not trying to nationalize the major manufacturing industries, or grocery stores, like they did over there. His healthcare plan doesn't even "take over" healthcare.

It's Medicare, for all.

Private hospitals, doctors, etc., all stay private.

Really between NHS-style socialized medicine and our "free market" system, it's a good compromise.



The various shades of universal healthcare among the modern nations have worked for a pretty long time, and they're proven to be much more efficient and cost-effective than our system. We pay twice as much, and cover less of our populations, with tens of million uninsured or underinsured. Many of those nations also offer either tuition-free or nearly-free college to their students. It's not bankrupting them or forcing them to eat their pets.



Since Bernie's vision for America is most certainly not Venezuela, you're just wrong on that one. And no, I'm not for mimicking the current right-wing boogeyman trotted out anytime someone says we should improve society somewhat. Single-payer health insurance didn't cause Venezuela's collapse, nor did tuition-free higher education, nor did installing solar panels.
There is a lot in this post to pick apart. However, I will say one thing regarding what FDR and Sanders refer to as "rights". Rights are something you are born with, the right to free speech, the right of self determination, the right to own and poses arms. NONE of these rights require ANYONE to provide you with ANYTHING!

HC, housing, education are NOT rights. They require others to provide these for you. You have the right to pursue them, but not the right to have them provided to you. If that were the case, we would have doctors, builders and teachers indentured with their rights diminished, to provide these items to you.
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1. We didn't enter the war until 1941, FDR had already entered his third term by then.

2. There are pretty specific similarities, especially when you compare FDR's 2nd Bill of Rights with Bernie's platform. They both believe(d) in public healthcare for all, a minimum wage as something livable, a federal jobs guarantee, housing as a right, adequate economic security for retirees, transformation infrastructure programs, and a right to a good education. Honestly Bernie should start touting himself as a real New Deal Democrat, because he's the closest thing to the original we've had since the original.




And there it is, Venezuela. Sorry, but Bernie is not pitching anything resembling Venezuela. He's not trying to nationalize the major manufacturing industries, or grocery stores, like they did over there. His healthcare plan doesn't even "take over" healthcare.

It's Medicare, for all.

Private hospitals, doctors, etc., all stay private.

Really between NHS-style socialized medicine and our "free market" system, it's a good compromise.



The various shades of universal healthcare among the modern nations have worked for a pretty long time, and they're proven to be much more efficient and cost-effective than our system. We pay twice as much, and cover less of our populations, with tens of million uninsured or underinsured. Many of those nations also offer either tuition-free or nearly-free college to their students. It's not bankrupting them or forcing them to eat their pets.



Since Bernie's vision for America is most certainly not Venezuela, you're just wrong on that one. And no, I'm not for mimicking the current right-wing boogeyman trotted out anytime someone says we should improve society somewhat. Single-payer health insurance didn't cause Venezuela's collapse, nor did tuition-free higher education, nor did installing solar panels.
How little you seem to comprehend.
We may have officially entered WWII in 1941 but that war started in1936 and we were acting participants in terms of threat. So under those clouds of what appeared to be an inevitable entrance into that war, our nation stood with the current President.

As GetAClue says, FDR's bill of rights is about positive rights. That the lists are not exactly the same, the false title to their purpose is.

That are health care cost are twice that of the rest of the world has more to do with the cozy co-conspiracy of our congress with the Insurance and Medical industry than any other factor. Anytime the government, particularly our government takes over an industry, costs skyrocket to fill the coffers and pockets of those politicians and the corporate leaders with whom they conspired. After promising great savings,,,;Obamacare doubled costs

What is different about Bernie's vision and Venezuela? Both takeover key industries and in the process takeaway some of every one's civil rights. History has proven and continues to prove, that each time a nation tries some combination of socialism and democracy, it collapses despite the considered benevolent genius of its founders.

The fatal flaw is always the loss of natural rights, which our Constitution uniquely protects. Although that individual is not free from the burden of work, not free from the burden of providing for his/her own welfare, not free from assuming the cost of their own healthcare, housing and sustenance, they are free to pursue their own path. Be it labor, profession, art or service, they are not hampered by a government that choses by design, accident of incompetence, the availability of their options.
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So, this is the second thing you’ve posted this week based on the premise that being called gay is insulting or embarrassing. Do you think that posting these does anything other than point out your bigotry?
I will point out that being anti-homo does not make a hetero bigoted, just like being anti-hetero does not make a homo bigoted.
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