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Wait a sec, camping in the parks and public spaces is illegal in most cases. Holding rallies without a permit and making no arrangements for the health and safety of the participants is illegal. That translates into virtually all of the Occupy events being illegal thus the participants are engaged in illegal activity. The only reason the arrest % doesn't exceed 90% or more is due to the corruption of local officials granting special dispensations to the Occupy mob.
Jaywalking is illegal too. It's seldom enforced. In so far as "making no arrangements for health and safety" - that's so broad I'd like to see a law covering in an event where there is no organizer responsible. Permits and camping out - depends WHERE you are and, eventually they were cleared out where they had overstepped their welcome and - voila - there were arrests.

You can support your claims of "most" and your excuse of corruption is grasping at straws here.

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The "it is only X percent of Occupiers have been arrested for violent crimes so the movement is nonviolent" is a canard. It only takes a small minority within the group to perpetrate significant violence for example the Weathermen allied with SDS. The fact is Occupy has made almost no concerted effort to expell the violent from their midst. In fact they have adopted a no snitching rule discouraging participants from reporting violent crimes such as rape from the police. How can we accept the claim the movement is non-violent when it harbors violent people and would rather have internal violent crime go unreported because it might hurt their public image? We can't.
Now you are changing the goal posts - since you can't prove that the majority or even a substantial minority were violent, you have to switch to the "it only takes a few" argument. That doesn't work

The other problem with your argument is this: "They" - they made almost no concerted effort to expell the violent from their midst.

You don't know that - the movement occupied hundreds of cities and was different in each city. Which "they" are you referring to?

In fact they have adopted a no snitching rule discouraging participants from reporting violent crimes such as rape from the police.

Again - which "they"? ALL of them? MOST of them? ANY of them? Maybe just a few blown out of proportion?

You offer a lot of opinion, but what facts back it it up?
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Yeah Van Jones is a real threat and did you see go along to get along Obama help him out or appoint any real progressives to any important post? The protesters are keeping what Wall Street and Corporate America has done to us in the publics mind and seems like you hate them for it. They're just protesting. What's it to you?
How is it bringing down America?
This thread was started by bringing children into the picture. Do you believe Republicans give a hoot about the children? A lot of the cuts in social services are directly going to affect poor children in the country. Nutrition programs, health services, after school programs, Head Start etc. I know these programs do a lot of good having owned a medium sized pre school at one time and having done volunteer work for the community. But the cuts are necessary so very wealthy people can keep on paying way less than they did before the Bush "temporary" tax cuts. By the way, Obama extended them did you notice? Real socialist that guy.
Sorry, I don't really understand what you're getting at by Hitler but I do know he got rid of unions. Guess who hates unions? The right wingers.

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A bit of history might help. Hitler took over by appointment in response to the turmoil caused by a government made insolvent by overspending. Of course Hitler promised to restore order under attack from the OWS protestors of the day. Of course the National Socialists did restore order using typically bloody socialist tactics.

Top down, bottom up, inside out as the self-professed Communist former green jobs czar and Occupy supporter Van Jones tells us. Clearly the OWS doesn't want to "question" the establishment, they want to destroy society as part of a fundamental transformation.
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Heres an account of someone who was arrested when the police cleared out the LA OWS:

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First off, don’t believe the PR bull****. There was nothing peaceful or professional about the LAPD’s attack on Occupy LA–not unless you think that people peacefully protesting against the power of the financial oligarchy deserve to be treated the way I saw Russian cops treating the protesters in Moscow and St. Petersburg who were demonstrating against the oligarchy under Putin and Yeltsin, before we at The eXiled all got tossed out in 2008. Back then, everyone in the West protested and criticized the way the Russian cops brutally snuffed out dissent, myself included. Now I’m in America, at a demonstration, watching exactly the same brutal crackdown…

While people are now beginning to learn that the police attack on Occupy LA was much more violent than previously reported, few actually realize that much—if not most—of the abuse happened while the protesters were in police custody, completely outside the range of the press and news media. And the disgraceful truth is that a lot of the abuse was police sadism, pure and simple:

* I heard from two different sources that at least one busload of protesters (around 40 people) was forced to spend seven excruciating hours locked in tiny cages on a Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Dept. prison bus, denied food, water and access to bathroom facilities. Both men and women were forced to urinate in their seats. Meanwhile, the cops in charge of the bus took an extended Starbucks coffee break.

* The bus that I was shoved into didn’t move for at least an hour. The whole time we listened to the screams and crying from a young woman whom the cops locked into a tiny cage at the front of the bus. She was in agony, begging and pleading for one of the policemen to loosen her plastic handcuffs. A police officer sat a couple of feet away the entire time that she screamed–but wouldn’t lift a finger.

* Everyone on my bus felt her pain–literally felt it. That’s because the zip-tie handcuffs they use—like the ones you see on Iraq prisoners in Abu Ghraib—cut off your circulation and wedge deep through your skin, where they can do some serious nerve damage, if that’s the point. And it did seem to be the point. A couple of guys around me were writhing in agony in their hard plastic seats, hands handcuffed behind their back.

* The 100 protesters in my detainee group were kept handcuffed with their hands behind their backs for 7 hours, denied food and water and forced to sit/sleep on a concrete floor. Some were so tired they passed out face down on the cold and dirty concrete, hands tied behind their back. As a result of the tight cuffs, I wound up losing sensation in my left palm/thumb and still haven’t recovered it now, a day and a half after they finally took them off.

* One seriously injured protester, who had been shot with a shotgun beanbag round and had an oozing bloody welt the size of a grapefruit just above his elbow, was denied medical attention for five hours. Another young guy, who complained that he thought his arm had been broken, was not given medical attention for at least as long. Instead, he spent the entire pre-booking procedure handcuffed to a wall, completely spaced out and staring blankly into space like he was in shock.

* An Occupy LA demonstrator in his 50s who was in my cell block in the Los Angeles Metropolitan Detention Center told us all about when a police officer forced him to take a **** with his hands handcuffed behind his back, which made pulling down his pants and sitting down on the toilet extremely difficult and awkward. And he had to do this in sight of female police officers, all of which made him feel extremely ashamed, to say the least.

* There were 292 people arrested at Occupy LA. About 75 of them have been released or have gotten out on bail, according the National Lawyers Guild. Most are still inside, slapped with $5,000 to $10,000 bail. According to a bail bondsman I know, this is unprecedented. Misdemeanors are almost always released on their own recognizance, which means that they don’t pay any bail at all. Or at most it’s a $100.

* That means the harsh, long detentions are meant to be are a purely punitive measure against Occupy LA protesters–an order that had to come from the very top.


Regardless of how you feel about the politics, should we be treating American Citizens this way simply for peacefully protesting?
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Heres an account of someone who was arrested when the police cleared out the LA OWS:





Regardless of how you feel about the politics, should we be treating American Citizens this way simply for peacefully protesting?
Do you really think that this is an honest assessment of what happened?? The VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH is so loaded with obvious bias that most people would stop reading right there and find a source that was objective.

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Do you really think that this is an honest assessment of what happened?? The VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH is so loaded with obvious bias that most people would stop reading right there and find a source that was objective.

Yes I do.
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Heres an account of someone who was arrested when the police cleared out the LA OWS:





Regardless of how you feel about the politics, should we be treating American Citizens this way simply for peacefully protesting?
In other words breaking the law and getting arrested sucks. I think we all get that and don't really care to hear you whine about how uncomfortable the handcuffs and jail cells are. There's a reason the cops didn't give you a Barney pillow and send you to time out. You broke the f*cking law and got what you deserved.
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