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Well, the only way to secure UHC would be to increase taxes.

The left likes to claim that this increase would fall only on "the rich." But there are just not enough rich people in America to subsidize this enormous expansion of the welfare state.

So you really need to try to make the case that the middle class would be better off paying more in taxes, and then getting healthcare at no additional cost, than staying with the current system.

Can you actually do that?
It would be cheaper to the consumer over all.
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It would be cheaper to the consumer over all.
Sure it would because we all know how efficiently run government agencies are.
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It would be cheaper to the consumer over all.
To reiterate: Can you actually make this case?

Simply declaring it to be true--however emphatically--does not establish anything.
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To reiterate: Can you actually make this case?

Simply declaring it to be true--however emphatically--does not establish anything.
It may in fact be cheaper for HER, but for those of us that have to work for a living to pay for everyone that doesn't, it is a kick in the gut as the amount deducted from our paychecks would soar while the quality of care would fall through the floor. Sounds like a great plan.
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It would be cheaper to the consumer over all.
I'd say that strictly depends on which consumer you're talking about.
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It would be cheaper to the consumer over all.
Of course socialized medicine, single payer, or the public option would be cheaper. The government can set reimbursement rates at whatever works for the budget driving service availability down to nearly zero. You'd still have coverage but have to wait in line for actual care with out of date equipment by personnel focused on volume not quality.

The model countries for socialized medicine England and Canada as well as Scandinavians all allow private healthcare for payment. The political elites and wealthy don't submit to the glory of socialized medicine imposed on the masses they claim to protect.
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There are usually trade-offs--as concerning just about anything.

So let us be candid here, please, and list them.

In favor of socialized medicine are the following points:

There would be no out-of-pocket expenses shortly after services were rendered.

It would be unnecessary to pay monthly healthcare insurance premiums.

There would be no 15 percent or 20 percent coinsurance (or $25 or $35 co-pays).


Well, perhaps there are additional virtues here; but I simply cannot think of them.

On the other side of the ledger:

There would be an out of pocket expense--just not a direct one. (It would come in the form of higher taxes. There simply is no free lunch.)

The waiting period for medical care would almost certainly be increased exponentially.


One should weigh and balance these points, and arrive at a decision.

My own decision is to embrace the medical system that we currently have.
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There are usually trade-offs--as concerning just about anything.

So let us be candid here, please, and list them.

In favor of socialized medicine are the following points:

There would be no out-of-pocket expenses shortly after services were rendered.

It would be unnecessary to pay monthly healthcare insurance premiums.

There would be no 15 percent or 20 percent coinsurance (or $25 or $35 co-pays).


Well, perhaps there are additional virtues here; but I simply cannot think of them.

On the other side of the ledger:

There would be an out of pocket expense--just not a direct one. (It would come in the form of higher taxes. There simply is no free lunch.)

The waiting period for medical care would almost certainly be increased exponentially.


One should weigh and balance these points, and arrive at a decision.

My own decision is to embrace the medical system that we currently have.
The medical system we currently have could be massively improved by rolling back Obamacare and regulations that stifle free market competition. Obamacare imposed a one size fits all coverage mandate requiring participants to pay for coverage they will never use. Archaic regulations unnecessarily restrict organizations from offering money saving group insurance.
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It would be cheaper to the consumer over all.
You have no way of knowing that. But assuming you are correct, that cheaper would most likely come at the expense of quality.

The market system comes with choices. Some would opt for cheap, some for quality. Others would attempt to strike a balance between the two.

Government is not known for making things cheaper or better.
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