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Old 10-02-2019, 11:09 AM
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Yes, and can you believe it was worse before Obama care? That is why most Americans want Medicare for all. A single-payer system. The next Presidential election hinges on that subject and the subject of corruption.
Thank you for spelling this out here.
You are the only person that I have heard say that health care is better now. Or are you talking about Insurance? either way, you are the only one I know of.
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And I never said otherwise. However, it would take a fool or a complete partisan to believe that was the ultimate goal. My point was, if you are looking to reduce health care costs, why are you focusing on the payer end of the system instead of the delivery end?
I didn't say 'ultimate goal', I said 'stated goal'.
I think we sort of agree that what was accomplished did nothing to reduce actual health care costs.

I know this makes me sound evil and cold, but I truly believe that medical professionals (including hospital emergency rooms) should be allowed to refuse service to those with no insurance or ability to pay. Medical care at an ER is the only service one can use (demand) and never pay for.

I'd like for anybody with a specialized skill to tell me that they would be willing to provide their skilled services free of charge to anybody that showed up at their place of business if the person demanded it.
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I didn't say 'ultimate goal', I said 'stated goal'.
I think we sort of agree that what was accomplished did nothing to reduce actual health care costs.

I know this makes me sound evil and cold, but I truly believe that medical professionals (including hospital emergency rooms) should be allowed to refuse service to those with no insurance or ability to pay. Medical care at an ER is the only service one can use (demand) and never pay for.

I'd like for anybody with a specialized skill to tell me that they would be willing to provide their skilled services free of charge to anybody that showed up at their place of business if the person demanded it.
Responding to your bold'd statement:

I don't have a problem with life saving treatments to be provided to everyone in need of life saving treatments. However, there should then be an effort to recover those costs. I don't believe that we should be allowing people to die in the waiting room trying to prove they have the means to pay for the treatment.

However, when it comes to elective procedures, by all means either pay or find a way to pay.

But again, if we put the time in to looks for ways to reduce costs in the HC industry instead of focusing only on who pays for it, we would probably find ways to bring downs costs to the point where most people could afford basic HC insurance that would cover catastrophic instances.
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I didn't say 'ultimate goal', I said 'stated goal'.
I think we sort of agree that what was accomplished did nothing to reduce actual health care costs.

I know this makes me sound evil and cold, but I truly believe that medical professionals (including hospital emergency rooms) should be allowed to refuse service to those with no insurance or ability to pay. Medical care at an ER is the only service one can use (demand) and never pay for.

I'd like for anybody with a specialized skill to tell me that they would be willing to provide their skilled services free of charge to anybody that showed up at their place of business if the person demanded it.
I don't have a copy of the Hippocratic Oath readily available, my understanding the basis of it is the preservation life... and leaving those in desperate need untreated, to die, would be a violation of that oath.

I've been one of those people who needed immediate help, with no insurance. Of course this was 40 years ago, but the bill I was presented with after my ER visit, was negotiated with the billing department to about 60%, and a payment plan put in place. I paid that bill off in about a year I believe.

I don't have an issue contributing towards emergency treatment of life threatening situations, because the health care has actually been received. I do object to paying for 'insurance' which is nothing but a front loaded payment mechanism that is NOT health care.

As to 'not getting paid', those of us who do have insurance, or pay taxes, or both, do end up paying for it in other ways. A number of professionals do charitable work and provide their services free or low charges, I guess the medical version of noblesse oblige is one way to look at it.
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