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Default Joe Biden promises to 'finish the job' by expanding Obamacare

Joe Biden has broken from the Medicare for all single payer orthodoxy of many other candidates for the Democrat nomination with a policy of "fixing Obamacare" instead of replacing it.

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Former Vice President Joe Biden, in the first rally of his 2020 presidential campaign, said "we have to finish the job" by expanding Obamacare to include a new government-run plan, which was originally pushed by President Barack Obama, before the idea fell short of votes in the Senate.

In doing so, Biden was breaking with many of his rivals on the healthcare issue, who want to replace all private insurance and put everybody on a single government-run plan under the banner of "Medicare for all."
The Senate is blamed for the failure to include the so-called public option in the ACA but no mention is made of the fact the Senate was controlled by Democrats and majority leader Harry Reid used a parliamentary procedure loophole to bypass the 60 vote requirement. Senator Democrats couldn't rally a simple majority for the public option then but Biden thinks he can get it passed in 2020. Worse, socialized medicine advocates of Medicare for all campaign on an unfounded belief Democrats can be rallied in the Senate to push through socialized medicine outlawing private insurance in the process.

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Back in 2009, the idea of the so-called public option went down in flames as more centrist Democrats opposed it under criticism that it was a Trojan horse for a fully government-run system. Though pitched as a choice, the problem is that government would be setting the rules of the game, meaning that it could rig things in a way that steers more Americans toward the government plan, allowing the American system to transition to a socialized health insurance system over time.
Unspoken in Biden's policy to fix Obamacare is the failure of the program requiring a major expansion of the Federal government. This was entirely predictable when Obamacare was passed on a strict party line vote following the time honored Democrat strategy of putting in a program to expand the Federal government then fix it later with more expansion.

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In the 20th century, Socialist governments were responsible for the death of 90,000,000 of their own people. And yet socialist here in America want us to let them run our Health Care."
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In the 20th century, Socialist governments were responsible for the death of 90,000,000 of their own people. And yet socialist here in America want us to let them run our Health Care."
90 million people didn't die because Canada reformed their healthcare system to create a single payer insurance program.
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I can see the appeal in Biden's plan. A Medicare buy-in, the public option that was taken out of the ACA in the name of "compromise" with conservative Democrats. Any change, even gradual like the ACA's original incarnation, would be a positive step forward. Some like more gradual, easier-to-swallow improvements versus total overhauls and I get it.

Having said that, I'm still all in for Bernie and Medicare For All. It's long past time we catch up with the rest of the world in regards to healthcare. Our largely private healthcare system is beyond bloated in cost and inefficiencies, we spend twice as much per person and cover a smaller percent of our population. Now if Biden does get the nomination, as it appears more likely all the time (He leads in all recent national and early primaries by a lot), then he gets my vote easy and hopefully we can restore and improve the ACA in order to make real progress of reforming healthcare.

And honestly I do consider M4A the center ground answer between our current system, and full on socialist healthcare ala NHS, with the original vision of the ACA being sort of between pre-Obamacare and Bernie's plan. There's your real compromise solution to healthcare.
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I can see the appeal in Biden's plan. A Medicare buy-in, the public option that was taken out of the ACA in the name of "compromise" with conservative Democrats. Any change, even gradual like the ACA's original incarnation, would be a positive step forward. Some like more gradual, easier-to-swallow improvements versus total overhauls and I get it.

Having said that, I'm still all in for Bernie and Medicare For All. It's long past time we catch up with the rest of the world in regards to healthcare. Our largely private healthcare system is beyond bloated in cost and inefficiencies, we spend twice as much per person and cover a smaller percent of our population. Now if Biden does get the nomination, as it appears more likely all the time (He leads in all recent national and early primaries by a lot), then he gets my vote easy and hopefully we can restore and improve the ACA in order to make real progress of reforming healthcare.

And honestly I do consider M4A the center ground answer between our current system, and full on socialist healthcare ala NHS, with the original vision of the ACA being sort of between pre-Obamacare and Bernie's plan. There's your real compromise solution to healthcare.
The ACA was 2,800 pages of legislation expected to spawn 20K pages of regulations with the force of law. It was the first legislation in our history that compelled every person to buy a private product. It was a huge step towards socialism.
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I'm still all in for Bernie and Medicare For All. It's long past time we catch up with the rest of the world in regards to healthcare.
Sorry, but I don't like the idea of "The rest of the world is jumping off of a cliff! Why can't we?!?!?!"...

Longer wait times?..Rationing?...Non-elected bureaucrats making decisions based on cost?...Losing motivation for students to become doctors?...

Nah...I don't call that "catching up"...
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In the 20th century, Socialist governments were responsible for the death of 90,000,000 of their own people. And yet socialist here in America want us to let them run our Health Care."
Yeah, and people around here wonder why I think Trump supporters are idiots.
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Yeah, and people around here wonder why I think Trump supporters are idiots.
https://rickkelo.liberty.me/socialism-mass-murder/

https://reason.com/2013/03/13/commun...n-20th-century

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/2...ed-many-people

Actually no one gives a sh!t why you think that way anymore.
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Sorry, but I don't like the idea of "The rest of the world is jumping off of a cliff! Why can't we?!?!?!"...

Longer wait times?..Rationing?...Non-elected bureaucrats making decisions based on cost?...Losing motivation for students to become doctors?...

Nah...I don't call that "catching up"...
You don't understand. Anyone who does while waiting in line counts as cured, plus they save the government money.

Of course an 82 year old Ted Kennedy gets pushed to the front of the line for experimental brain cancer treatment but as President Obama advised sometimes you are better off with the pain pills instead of surgery. After all, two months of life for a Democrat Senator is more important than years in agony from a broken hip.
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90 million people didn't die because Canada reformed their healthcare system to create a single payer insurance program.
Nice dodge but I had said nothing about Canada.
Or Sweden
Or Denmark
Or Great Britain

I'll not speak ill of the suffering enjoyed by the populations of those great socialist monarchies.

As for Canada, It's not mass murder but death by a thousand cuts. Just like in Great Britain.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/03/w...h-service.html
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/stud...in-canada-2017

When you are sick, waiting for your turn can be deadly. But, on the bright side, it does save operational costs for the system.
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