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I do not really know what the exact amount is, since I do not have Medicare. (Well, I do have Part A--for hospitalization only.)

But the point is this: More people will naturally seek physicians' services if there is no additional cost for their doing so.

And many of these additional people will have nothing much more serious than a hangnail.
Does your wife misuse the services in that way?
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The difference being, once again, that PJohns, and/or his wife, paid into the program, continuously for years, likely decades, into the tens of thousands.

You cannot same the same for those you wish to extend it to, can you.
actually workers today are paying into it for the present day consumers. pjohns and his wife paid for their parents and grand parents.
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actually workers today are paying into it for the present day consumers. pjohns and his wife paid for their parents and grand parents.
You do realize that you have just described a Ponzi scheme don't you? You know, the same scheme that Bernie Madoff is currently sitting in jail for being convicted of running.
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You do realize that you have just described a Ponzi scheme don't you? You know, the same scheme that Bernie Madoff is currently sitting in jail for being convicted of running.
ditto you do know you are repeating a talking point which indicates you have no critical thinking skills, right?
a ponzi scheme is where you sell more than a hundred percent of a valued item then try to pay promised dividends out of the scam money. what social security is is the present workers and their employers pay into the system for their old people and their kids will pay for themselves some day. it will only not work if there are no more people being born.
what medicare is is an insurance system you pay into and when you draw it out the government guarantees it with money from the budget. as long as you leave these two programs alone they are wealthy enough to do an excellent job. it's when you steal from them that your azz gets into a tight squeezing crack as you try to lie your way out of it blaming the recipients, the system or Democrats
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ditto you do know you are repeating a talking point which indicates you have no critical thinking skills, right?
I'm sorry, but I don't repeat talking points as I have no idea where to even find them. The thoughts expressed in my posts are my own. I can explain how I came to that conclusion if need be. Can you explain why it is not? I doubt it.

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a ponzi scheme is where you sell more than a hundred percent of a valued item then try to pay promised dividends out of the scam money.
And you just proved me right. Thanks.

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what social security is is the present workers and their employers pay into the system for their old people and their kids will pay for themselves some day. it will only not work if there are no more people being born.
Again, Google Ponzi Scheme, read what it says and get back to me.

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what medicare is is an insurance system you pay into and when you draw it out the government guarantees it with money from the budget. as long as you leave these two programs alone they are wealthy enough to do an excellent job.
No, Medicare is an entitlement program structured very much similar to Social Security except that beneficiaries pay premiums that help to fund the program in addition to payroll taxes and general revenues from the Federal Government.

https://www.unitedmedicareadvisors.c...dicare-funded/

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it's when you steal from them that your azz gets into a tight squeezing crack as you try to lie your way out of it blaming the recipients, the system or Democrats
As I have never stole anything nor advocated theft of any kind, I have no idea who you are talking about unless you are referring to Congress who long ago felt it was good policy to "Borrow" from these funds with a "promise" to pay it back. Currently the Social Security "Trust fund" is empty. Money being paid out to SS recipients comes from current workers payroll taxes, SS deductions and the General Fund.

I have provided a link to an article that does a good job of explaining how politicians are lying to you when they say that the Trust Fund is solvent. You may want to read it:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/merrill.../#430e4a149479
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actually workers today are paying into it for the present day consumers. pjohns and his wife paid for their parents and grand parents.
As with many things, it is based on 'working credits', which means you worked for x period of time paying into the system.
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I'm sorry, but I don't repeat talking points as I have no idea where to even find them. The thoughts expressed in my posts are my own. I can explain how I came to that conclusion if need be. Can you explain why it is not? I doubt it.



And you just proved me right. Thanks.



Again, Google Ponzi Scheme, read what it says and get back to me.



No, Medicare is an entitlement program structured very much similar to Social Security except that beneficiaries pay premiums that help to fund the program in addition to payroll taxes and general revenues from the Federal Government.

https://www.unitedmedicareadvisors.c...dicare-funded/



As I have never stole anything nor advocated theft of any kind, I have no idea who you are talking about unless you are referring to Congress who long ago felt it was good policy to "Borrow" from these funds with a "promise" to pay it back. Currently the Social Security "Trust fund" is empty. Money being paid out to SS recipients comes from current workers payroll taxes, SS deductions and the General Fund.

I have provided a link to an article that does a good job of explaining how politicians are lying to you when they say that the Trust Fund is solvent. You may want to read it:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/merrill.../#430e4a149479
The article contains a lot of good information but leaves out the systemic fault in SS. The 1936 enabling legislation requires any surplus be invested only in special purpose bonds owned by the Federal government. The funds from these sales go into the Treasury where they are spent like revenue. Congress didn't steal the money the SS trust fund is designed that way.

Like any Ponzi scheme SS worked fine as long as the ratio of workers paying in was around 3 to 1 drawing benefits, it acts like a hidden tax. With a wave of baby boomers retiring and the workforce shrinking the IOU are being presented to make up the gap. The only place to get the funds for the redemption is from the current general fund.

Private companies are forced by regulators to purchase real assets to fund their annuities. As the the article points out this is considered risky while the Federal government's promise to redeem trust fund bonds by taxing future generations is supposed to be safe.
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The difference being, once again, that PJohns, and/or his wife, paid into the program, continuously for years, likely decades, into the tens of thousands.

You cannot same the same for those you wish to extend it to, can you.
wow...and did they have a choice to pay into this program or was it automatically taken out of their pay check? Shouldn't you be trying to tell me how that's slavery?

I'm still young, why should I have to have my wages taxed to pay for PJohns wife's healthcare?


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As with many things, it is based on 'working credits', which means you worked for x period of time paying into the system.
But it wasn't voluntary. Stop trying to change the facts, people are taxed to pay for a socialized healthcare system.


And there is nothing wrong with that. We just happen to think that everyone should be able to get the same socialized healthcare system that PjOhns wife gets. Yes the taxes might go up, but it will still be cheaper than co-pays and deductibles etc.
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Does your wife misuse the services in that way?
No.

She is not one of these "additional people."

Truly marginalized people--i.e. those living at the very margins of society (who currently have no healthcare insurance, and are therefore less likely to seek physicians' services--are those about whom I am speaking.
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