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I will not waste my breath explaining, again, what insurance is. The PPACA failed from it's inception to provide 'affordable healthcare'.

The PPACA was the Democratic first-step to single payer. It failed grossly, and should be removed. While I do support pre-existing coverage, I also believe there should be higher premiums for those who did not have insurance in place. That being said, there needs to be a re-definition of pre-existing.

The PPACA is on life support, and the machines need to be turned off.
evidently I must waste my own to tell you all private health insurance is a hoax and should be banned.
hint: they make money by not paying anymore than they can get away with for as much as they can get.
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I will not waste my breath explaining, again, what insurance is. The PPACA failed from it's inception to provide 'affordable healthcare'.

The PPACA was the Democratic first-step to single payer. It failed grossly, and should be removed. While I do support pre-existing coverage, I also believe there should be higher premiums for those who did not have insurance in place. That being said, there needs to be a re-definition of pre-existing.

The PPACA is on life support, and the machines need to be turned off.
if you're talking about Obama care, it is only on "life support" if that is true (I know you want it to be so ) because repub legislators did not work with democrats on crafting a bill and have striven to thwart affordable health coverage since the 90s; grinding up into high gear with the audacious affordable care act.
all the while their fans are spouting nonsense about boot straps as the uninformed and/or vengeful have done since before the great depression.
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I do find it rather odd--and perhaps a bit revealing--that you cannot argue the point rationally, but must resort, instead, to ad hominem attacks.

But perhaps those supporters of ObamaCare, who see that the end is near, feel especially embittered...
I do not see that the end is near-according to a ruling today.
I just know that people who would take away the very lives of individuals for a mere ideology are following the wrong one.

Puts me in mind of a game of thrones quote as an analogy:

"If your god tells you to sacrifice little girls, your god is evil".
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I do not see that the end [for ObamaCare] is near-according to a ruling today.
Are you referring to a ruling by a federal district judge, as concerning the banding together of small businesses to purchase "association" health plans?

If so, that (1) is not a ruling as concerning the constitutionality of ObamaCare per se; and (2) is not, in any case, a ruling by the SCOTUS.

The one thread by which ObamaCare was upheld, in 2012 (by a 5-4 vote), was Chief Justice Roberts' (rather specious) argument that it was a tax.

But since the penalty for not having healthcare insurance has now been removed, it can no longer be reasonably argued that it is a tax.

Moreover, I believe that Justices Gorsuch and Kavanaugh--new to the High Court--are likely to vote to abolish the ACA.

But I suppose we will just have to wait and see...
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I used to complain that in Canada it took 30 to 45 days to see your doctor. Now, it takes that long here in America.

So I must then presume that yes, Obamacare is working as planned.
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The Democrats are no longer making any real effort to defend ObamaCare, as it is. Rather, they are now talking about "Medicare for all"--a talking point that began with Bernie Sanders.

ObamaCare was merely a stalking horse for single-payer healthcare (the Democrats' real goal).
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ObamaCare was merely a stalking horse for single-payer healthcare (the Democrats' real goal).
Yup...

I wrote about it in 2012...

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ObamaCare isn't the successful completion of a new way to deal with healthcare issues. It's nothing more than a beginning. Phase One. The proverbial foot in the door so it can be swung open when the time is right. At some point in the future, when Obama has been long enjoying the speaker circuit, the progressives will complain that ObamaCare isn't enough. Welcome Phase Two.

By that time...when the nation becomes "used to" ObamaCare because its been around so long...There will be a cry, from the same people that lied, cheated and stole to get ObamaCare in the first place, for the next step (public option), which will seem much less severe than when ObamaCare was first implemented and the country will be more accepting.

Of course, at an "X" amount of time later, the call for an outright government takeover will be demanded and universal healthcare will be...once again...much more acceptable to the nation since Phase Two has been around for awhile. Mission Accomplished.
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The Democrats are no longer making any real effort to defend ObamaCare, as it is. Rather, they are now talking about "Medicare for all"--a talking point that began with Bernie Sanders.

ObamaCare was merely a stalking horse for single-payer healthcare (the Democrats' real goal).
And the majority of people knew that, and some were doing a fist pump when it was 'passed to see what's in it'.

While I've mentioned it a number of times, unless one is an employer of a certain size, people don't understand what a Charlie Foxtrot of administrative nightmares the PPACA has been for employers. That too, intentional IMO, so when they offer up single payer, which, I'm sure, will eliminate this FUBAR, many employers will be supportive to just relieve the burden and cost.

Making it nightmarish, then to offer up the 'solution', is what the government is so very talented at. Whomever said: The government isn't the solution, it's the problem. was more right than they knew.
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if you're talking about Obama care, it is only on "life support" if that is true (I know you want it to be so ) because repub legislators did not work with democrats on crafting a bill and have striven to thwart affordable health coverage since the 90s; grinding up into high gear with the audacious affordable care act.
all the while their fans are spouting nonsense about boot straps as the uninformed and/or vengeful have done since before the great depression.
Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber gave away the hustle that is Obamacare, bragging that its passage was due to the "stupidity of the American people." Obamacare is not some noble program to help people it's a scam to buy votes and pave the way to single payer while destroying the health care system.

Once 160 million are stripped of private healthcare they can be trained to be grateful for whatever care the government rations out. It's a future where bureaucrats bury the needs of patients so they can get bonuses just like they did in the VA.
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Obamacare architect Jonathan Gruber gave away the hustle that is Obamacare, bragging that its passage was due to the "stupidity of the American people." Obamacare is not some noble program to help people it's a scam to buy votes and pave the way to single payer while destroying the health care system.

Once 160 million are stripped of private healthcare they can be trained to be grateful for whatever care the government rations out. It's a future where bureaucrats bury the needs of patients so they can get bonuses just like they did in the VA.
The VA has excellent health care. The few ad apples were rooted out finally under Obama the first to deal with the problem. The verification to get the health care is all that has been slow. And even that has sped up thanks to the past admin. Trump put inexperienced incompetent crones over it to I can only guess, steal money?
As for the gruber whatever, you should have deVo'd the congressional activity on this bill and you wouldn't have to rely on conspiracy theories and foxnews. republicans (A) did not help and (B) tried to thwart the success of the plan from the get-go. And (C) are doing all they can to make all health coverage even worse.
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