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Old 11-22-2018, 07:02 AM
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First, you make the assumption of 'married'. While that is still common, it is not the only status of a two parent household. They ae individuals. They very well may file as such. Just FYI, my spouse and I fil separately.

As to the rest of your statement, I staunchly disagree, and find your course of thought rather disturbing. If you feel you can limit a CITIZEN of one right, then what is to stop someone from judging you to be lacking and take away one or all of your rights?
No I am not assuming married status is the only way for people to have Federal income tax liability. The issue was a stay at home adult not having tax liability thus being ineligible to vote.

BTW The tax code is used to encourage all kinds of behavior such as home ownership and child bearing, marriage is a worthy behavior to incentivize. After all, we have redefined marriage by judicial decree from its centuries old structure with more expansions just a lawsuit away to accommodate Progressive sensibilities.

None of our rights is absolute. Despite what the Resistance tells us disrupting political rallies or Senate confirmation hearings is not a Constitutional right. Voting is no different. States limited voting to property owners in the early days of the Republic, it's not a novel idea or one that automatically leads to unwarranted restrictions on our other rights.

As we enjoy this Thanksgiving day it is worthwhile to remember the true story of the Pilgrims first years in the new world. Thanks to the policy allowing everyone to draw from the common storehouse no matter if they had contributed or not, these years were marked by shortages and deprivation. It's the same today, instead of a common store house we have the public treasury. We are able to create the illusion of no consequences for borrowing against the productivity of the future but eventually the bare shelves will catch up to us all. It only makes sense to limit the say on withdrawals to contributors paying the bills.
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Married stay at home parents typically file jointly and so likely have Federal income tax liability. Having worked to put myself through school and support my family there is little sympathy for students too lazy or privileged enough to not pay income tax not being eligible to vote.

Allowing people who make no contribution to Federal income taxes to have a say in how these revenues are spent through voting is fundamentally unfair. Non contributors still have the rest of their Constitutional rights including the right to petition the government for redress of grievances. I am not expert in all 50 states but I believe an ineligible voter can hold elected office.

It's like going out to a restaurant with a group where everybody gets to decide what is ordered but half contribute nothing towards the bill. Naturally the people eating for free insist they ought to have an equal voice in perpetuating the arrangement.
Don't sugarcoat it. The "Make America Great Again" movement originated with the White Supremacists that was to return to the earliest days of America when only White Protestant Men that owned property and/or paid taxes (regardless of citizenship) could vote. It's for this reason that Donald Trump received the formal endorsement of the KKK and Richard Spencer's Alt-Right (neo-Nazi white Supremacist) movement. White Protestant Rule where women were subjugated and Blacks were considered property and not people.

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No I am not assuming married status is the only way for people to have Federal income tax liability. The issue was a stay at home adult not having tax liability thus being ineligible to vote.
So, unless a couple are married, then the stay at home parent is not allowed to vote since they didn't pay income taxes? Do you truly believe that?

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BTW The tax code is used to encourage all kinds of behavior such as home ownership and child bearing, marriage is a worthy behavior to incentivize. After all, we have redefined marriage by judicial decree from its centuries old structure with more expansions just a lawsuit away to accommodate Progressive sensibilities.
I disagree, the tax code should not be used to incentivize any such actions, as it's none of the governments business.

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None of our rights is absolute. Despite what the Resistance tells us disrupting political rallies or Senate confirmation hearings is not a Constitutional right. Voting is no different. States limited voting to property owners in the early days of the Republic, it's not a novel idea or one that automatically leads to unwarranted restrictions on our other rights.
I'll remind you of that statement when next the discussion is on the 2nd Amendment. Or the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Just because something was done at a certain point in time, it does not mean it is acceptable in the current society. I wholly disagree with the idea of curtailing voting rights based on land ownership (or taxation based)in this day and age... I can easily see it expanded into removing a woman's right to vote along with it, and I really don't think you want to go there, hmmm?

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As we enjoy this Thanksgiving day it is worthwhile to remember the true story of the Pilgrims first years in the new world. Thanks to the policy allowing everyone to draw from the common storehouse no matter if they had contributed or not, these years were marked by shortages and deprivation. It's the same today, instead of a common store house we have the public treasury. We are able to create the illusion of no consequences for borrowing against the productivity of the future but eventually the bare shelves will catch up to us all. It only makes sense to limit the say on withdrawals to contributors paying the bills.
I have to wonder if you actually believe what you are saying, or if the situation should arise that you find yourself unemployed and not contributing to the societal pool, if you will submissively accept the idea that you do not have a say in your future, or if you will bow your head and allow other people to decide your worth, and so be judged as wanting, and what other things they believe you don't deserve, as an outcast member of society.

For that, I hope it should never come to pass. That no member of your family should ever feel the impact of your words upon their backs.
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On a day with so much good news, more good news!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tr...UHU?li=BBnba9I
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On a day with so much good news, more good news!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tr...UHU?li=BBnba9I
Bet those guys and their fans spend a lot of spare time torturing puppies and pulling wings off butterflies.
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Bet those guys and their fans spend a lot of spare time torturing puppies and pulling wings off butterflies.
I will not waste my breath explaining, again, what insurance is. The PPACA failed from it's inception to provide 'affordable healthcare'.

The PPACA was the Democratic first-step to single payer. It failed grossly, and should be removed. While I do support pre-existing coverage, I also believe there should be higher premiums for those who did not have insurance in place. That being said, there needs to be a re-definition of pre-existing.

The PPACA is on life support, and the machines need to be turned off.
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I will not waste my breath explaining, again, what insurance is. The PPACA failed from it's inception to provide 'affordable healthcare'.

The PPACA was the Democratic first-step to single payer. It failed grossly, and should be removed. While I do support pre-existing coverage, I also believe there should be higher premiums for those who did not have insurance in place. That being said, there needs to be a re-definition of pre-existing.

The PPACA is on life support, and the machines need to be turned off.
I agree, but don't expect the Republicans to do it.
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I will not waste my breath explaining, again, what insurance is. The PPACA failed from it's inception to provide 'affordable healthcare'.

The PPACA was the Democratic first-step to single payer. It failed grossly, and should be removed. While I do support pre-existing coverage, I also believe there should be higher premiums for those who did not have insurance in place. That being said, there needs to be a re-definition of pre-existing.

The PPACA is on life support, and the machines need to be turned off.
Now it seems the Democrats are the ones abandoning OCare. All I hear is Medicaid for all. Effectively killing the need for OCare.

PPACA is/was an abomination of a bill that was actually passed without anybody having any idea what was in it. It's no surprise that it is failing.
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Buh bye, ObamaCare.

Thank God.

In stunning reversal, Justice Department makes huge decision about future of Obamacare

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The Justice Department revealed Monday that it will side with a federal district court ruling last year that found the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, unconstitutional.

The decision is a significant reversal from the agency's previous stance, which declared that certain aspects of the law, like the "individual mandate," are unconstitutional, but could be severed from the law's main framework.

The decision means that the government will not defend the law's constitutionality on appeal.
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Bet those guys and their fans spend a lot of spare time torturing puppies and pulling wings off butterflies.
I do find it rather odd--and perhaps a bit revealing--that you cannot argue the point rationally, but must resort, instead, to ad hominem attacks.

But perhaps those supporters of ObamaCare, who see that the end is near, feel especially embittered...
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