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Four cities are charging President Trump with violating Article II of the Constitution, which demands he “take care that the laws be faithfully executed,” because of his latest effort to upend Obamacare. Last month, the administration announced it was freezing payments that are part of an Obamacare program that protects insurers with sicker patients from financial losses. The effort derails several proponents of his predecessor's health care legislation.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortne...acare-n2506124

Obamacare (PPACA) is still the law and President Trump has publicly admitted to doing all he can to make it fail. His actions have repeatedly demonstrated his agenda to make Obamacare fail and this is a clear violation of the requirement that he "faithfully execute" the laws of the United States.

This lawsuit addresses the same issues that 18 states have filed lawsuits against the Trump administration's intentional efforts to undermine the PPACA. Trump's responsibility under the Constitution is to employ every lawful effort necessary to make Obamacare succeed and not to make it fail.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...acare-payments
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Do you think tRUmp understands that the individual insurance market is Obamacare, and that if it fails millions of people- not just libruls- won't be able to purchase health insurance? People will literally die because of his and the Republicans sabotage of the ACA.


and as an aside, I read this the other day......

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Soon after Charla McComic’s son lost his job, his health-insurance premium dropped from $567 per month to just $88, a “blessing from God” that she believes was made possible by President Trump.

“I think it was just because of the tax credit,” said McComic, 52, a former first-grade teacher who traveled to Trump’s Wednesday night rally in Nashville from Lexington, Tenn., with her daughter, mother, aunt and cousin.

The price change was actually thanks to a subsidy made possible by former president Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act
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Four cities are charging President Trump with violating Article II of the Constitution, which demands he “take care that the laws be faithfully executed,”
Absolutely hysterical...

After 8 years of Obama's total disregard of border laws and enforcement, these cities NOW have a problem...
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I disagree with your attack on President Obama and your claim that in, " 8 years of Obama's total disregard of border laws and enforcement, these cities NOW have a problem".

Your first phrase before the comma is rebutted in these two links:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/03/polit...ush/index.html

https://www.cnn.com/2011/12/20/us/bo...ard/index.html

And your second part of the sentence blames Obama for the problems which have existed since the end of the Bracero Program, which was exacerbated when the Reagan Administration provieded hope for illegal entry by giving amnesty.
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Do you think tRUmp understands that the individual insurance market is Obamacare, and that if it fails millions of people- not just libruls- won't be able to purchase health insurance? People will literally die because of his and the Republicans sabotage of the ACA.

and as an aside, I read this the other day......
No, the individual insurance market is NOT 'Obamacare'. Individuals can and do purchase individual insurance policies with out subsidies. The PRICES of those policies were drastically increased based upon the requirements under the PPACA, since people now have to pay for 'requirements' that they don't necessarily want or need, and pay for people who failed to take responsibility for themselves and are allowed to purchase insurance with pre-existing conditions with no penalty.

You do understand what a subsidy is, and who funds, correct? The woman is obviously a little off center if she thinks it was due to something Trump set up.
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No, the individual insurance market is NOT 'Obamacare'. Individuals can and do purchase individual insurance policies with out subsidies. The PRICES of those policies were drastically increased based upon the requirements under the PPACA, since people now have to pay for 'requirements' that they don't necessarily want or need, and pay for people who failed to take responsibility for themselves and are allowed to purchase insurance with pre-existing conditions with no penalty.

You do understand what a subsidy is, and who funds, correct? The woman is obviously a little off center if she thinks it was due to something Trump set up.
Q. When someone buys a policy from the private sector, and that possible has a limit, who pays for the follow up treatment / care when that policy expires

A. The local taxpayer, when the policy expires and the patient is transferred from the private doctor / hospital to the County Hospital / nearest Public Hospital.
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Q. When someone buys a policy from the private sector, and that possible has a limit, who pays for the follow up treatment / care when that policy expires

A. The local taxpayer, when the policy expires and the patient is transferred from the private doctor / hospital to the County Hospital / nearest Public Hospital.
And that existed long before the PPACA was a gleam in the Democrats eyes.

So, you'll hold to fault the few who actually obtained insurance, burned through what was normally a $1M cap, in comparison to those that did, and STILL use the ER.

Your swimming in the wrong river.
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Absolutely hysterical...

After 8 years of Obama's total disregard of border laws and enforcement, these cities NOW have a problem...
Fewer people apprehended at the border under Trump than under Obama.
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CBP recorded 310,531 apprehensions by U.S. Border Patrol agents and 216,370 inadmissible cases by CBP officers in FY17, a 23.7 percent decline over the previous year.
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/fi...ort-fy2017.pdf

Fewer deportations under Trump than under Obama.
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U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) removed approximately 226,000 people from the country in the 2017 fiscal year, which ended on Sept. 30, down 6 percent from the previous year. The 2017 deportations were lower than at any time during the Obama administration, according to previous DHS statistics.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1DZ2O5

President Obama had superior border enforcement based upon the number of border arrests and a superior deportation process because he deported more people than President Trump. What does that tell us about Obama and Trump?

The difference is that President Obama relied on our American values in addressing unlawful immigration while President Trump has a different agenda.

Donald Trump and Jeff Sessions are both White Nationalists (racists) that are attempting to impose the racist restrictions on immigration that started with the Chinese Exclusion Act, our first immigration restriction law, and was finalized with the (Johnson-Reed) Immigration Act of 1924 that virtually eliminated immigration from everywhere except Northern European white Protestant nations.

If people are racists then they love Trump's racist immigration agenda. If people believe in our American ideology then they prefer Obama's "American values" immigration agenda that's very closely related to Reagan's American values immigration law revisions that were based on family values and non-discriminatory immigration laws in the 1980's.
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And that existed long before the PPACA was a gleam in the Democrats eyes.
The PPACA was a conservative/Republican dream from the 1990's.

Democrats preferred a single-payer system but went with the PPACA because they were trying to make the health care fix a bipartisan fix. Unfortunately the PPACA came after the GOP initiated their "Oppose Anything Obama" agenda placing party loyalty above loyalty to the nation.
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The PPACA was a conservative/Republican dream from the 1990's.

Democrats preferred a single-payer system but went with the PPACA because they were trying to make the health care fix a bipartisan fix. Unfortunately the PPACA came after the GOP initiated their "Oppose Anything Obama" agenda placing party loyalty above loyalty to the nation.
And did you think about why it never went anywhere? Flawed is flawed regardless of the political party involved.

Even without Trump's administration meddling with the PPACA, it was not, and never would be sustainable. There were maybe two, no, make that one thing that I believed was a positive in the PPACA, which could have been implemented with about 5 pages of legalese. It would have benefitted some, but they would also have been the ones to pay for it.
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