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Old 09-06-2018, 07:38 AM
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As was pointed out earlier Obama inflated deportation figures by counting persons apprehended close to the border. Obviously you don't care about facts just partisan hyperbole.
The criteria used in 2016 and 2017 are the same. Trump's 2017 deportation numbers dropped by roughly 40% compared to Obama's in 2016.

Yes, Trump is deporting more people from the interior of the United States because he's been deporting Administrative cases of undocumented aliens. Administrative designates those that are "illegal aliens" where their case is a civil and not a criminal case. The number of illegal border crossings have gone down in recent years as the Obama administration stepped up border security enforcement. Even Donald Trump complemented Obama during his campaign on the increased boarder security measures he'd taken.

But this is off-topic and I shouldn't have fallen for the typically distraction by Trump and his supporters of "When faced with the facts lie about something else."
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The criteria used in 2016 and 2017 are the same. Trump's 2017 deportation numbers dropped by roughly 40% compared to Obama's in 2016.

Yes, Trump is deporting more people from the interior of the United States because he's been deporting Administrative cases of undocumented aliens. Administrative designates those that are "illegal aliens" where their case is a civil and not a criminal case. The number of illegal border crossings have gone down in recent years as the Obama administration stepped up border security enforcement. Even Donald Trump complemented Obama during his campaign on the increased boarder security measures he'd taken.

But this is off-topic and I shouldn't have fallen for the typically distraction by Trump and his supporters of "When faced with the facts lie about something else."
Again, the number of people attempting to illegally cross the border declined significantly under Trump. I am unaware of Trump complimenting Obama for increased border security, perhaps you could provide quotes with links?

Obama liked to brag about how secure he'd made the border even as unaccompanied minors flooded across. These children somehow defeated Obama's sophisticated border security. But don't worry, the same detention facilities for minors decried as human rights violations under Trump were simply ignored under Obama the benevolent. Of course Obama had these children chauffeured at taxpayer expense anywhere they wanted to go including to "families" living illegally in the US.

How typical of you to blame someone else for your off topic posts. Now you want to pretend the exposure of your talking points as false has nothing to do with your refusal to continue.
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I am guessing that this is merely a "feelgood" measure on the part of these (generally liberal) cities.

The suit certainly will not win out in the end.
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I am guessing that this is merely a "feelgood" measure on the part of these (generally liberal) cities.

The suit certainly will not win out in the end.
I support "feelgood" over callous disregard for families. Whether a suit of this nature fails or not opens the discussion over the appointment of the nominee currently being consider for the Supreme Court.

Kavanaugh's response to legitimate questions on the power of the presidency and on Roe, is necessary and sufficient to deny him a life appointment.

Sadly, Sen. McConnell has gotten his way, protecting his wife's appointment by Trump, he pays Trump back even when his misfeasance violates the spirit of his oath of office, and the vision left to us in the Preamble to the Constitution. His name will live in infamy for generations.
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[QUOTE=Wry Catcher;948223]I support "feelgood" over callous disregard for families. Whether a suit of this nature fails or not opens the discussion over the appointment of the nominee currently being consider for the Supreme Court.
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That's probably why the media didn't report on the children in cages while Obama was POTUS. They didn't want anyone to feel bad.

But under Trump they DO want you to feel bad, as long as the bad feeling is directed at Trump.

It must really piss you guys off that the media does that to you.
I guess it is worth it though, after all, the hatred is consolidated, and directed at Trump, and at any one that doesn't hate him.
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I support "feelgood" over callous disregard for families. Whether a suit of this nature fails or not opens the discussion over the appointment of the nominee currently being consider for the Supreme Court.
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That's probably why the media didn't report on the children in cages while Obama was POTUS. They didn't want anyone to feel bad.

But under Trump they DO want you to feel bad, as long as the bad feeling is directed at Trump.

It must really piss you guys off that the media does that to you.
I guess it is worth it though, after all, the hatred is consolidated, and directed at Trump, and at any one that doesn't hate him.
There is no evidence that a federal judge ordered President Obama on any issue related to his border security efforts. Once again a Trump supporter echoes attacks on President Obama as if they are defense for Trump's callous disregard for families, and the order by a Federal Judge.

What any prior President did or not do is irrelevant to the issue of Trumpism. It is unique in all respects to his previous predecessors; his behavior is erratic which is indisputable, and inexplicable without a comprehensive psychological workup by an independent professional.

Megalomania in the President of the United States, the remarks thus far leaked by Woodward and Anonymous, and his obsession with Sessions and the deep state conspiracy, suggest the 25th Amendment is not out of left field.
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There is no evidence that a federal judge ordered President Obama on any issue related to his border security efforts. Once again a Trump supporter echoes attacks on President Obama as if they are defense for Trump's callous disregard for families, and the order by a Federal Judge.
The photos of kids in cages that were highlighted on the news and got the left outraged, were pictures taken at the border patrol stations during Obama's term as President. But because it was Obama, neither the media or the left wing sycophants cared one way or the other. As soon as Trump took office, the outrage began showing that it was NEVER about the kids in cages, it was about the hatred of the current President.

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What any prior President did or not do is irrelevant to the issue of Trumpism. It is unique in all respects to his previous predecessors; his behavior is erratic which is indisputable, and inexplicable without a comprehensive psychological workup by an independent professional.

Megalomania in the President of the United States, the remarks thus far leaked by Woodward and Anonymous, and his obsession with Sessions and the deep state conspiracy, suggest the 25th Amendment is not out of left field.
They are completely out of left field as not one certified doctor that has examined Trump as made the determination that he is unfit for office. It is merely TDS driving the left bat crap crazy.
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There is no evidence that a federal judge ordered President Obama on any issue related to his border security efforts. Once again a Trump supporter echoes attacks on President Obama as if they are defense for Trump's callous disregard for families, and the order by a Federal Judge.

What any prior President did or not do is irrelevant to the issue of Trumpism. It is unique in all respects to his previous predecessors; his behavior is erratic which is indisputable, and inexplicable without a comprehensive psychological workup by an independent professional.

Megalomania in the President of the United States, the remarks thus far leaked by Woodward and Anonymous, and his obsession with Sessions and the deep state conspiracy, suggest the 25th Amendment is not out of left field.
What does the bolded have to do with anything? Are you saying that because a federal judge didn't say bad things happened under Obama ( like kids in cages ) that those things didn't happen?

I think what you meant to say was, if Trump does something that Obama did, Trump deserves to be attacked, and Obama doesn't, right?
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