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You keep showing us you are a trump fan while you deny it
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You do realize that as President, he cannot simply pass law on his own? Or were you under the impression that because Obama stated that he had "a phone and a pen" implying that he would go it alone, that is how it is supposed to be done?

Once again, I am not a Trump fan and never was. But I can agree with a lot of what he has done to this point. But you keep throwing Trump out there as some sort of gotcha post being as that is all that you seem to have.
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Said like a right winger
More like a believer in the Free Market and the Constitution.
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You must be an insurance salesman
Actually, I am a Systems Analyst, but I do have a fundamental understanding of Economics, Free Market Capitalism and Constitutional principles. You should educate yourself on these topics.
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You keep showing us you are a trump fan while you deny it
Why do you find it necessary to only have extremes? Trump lover, or Trump hater?

There are people who don't necessarily like Trump, who can agree with a thing or two he has done. There are people who can dislike some of the things he has done, without 'hating' him.

And then there is you.......
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You keep showing us you are a trump fan while you deny it
I don't have to be a "Trump fan" to agree with things that I believe he has done right. However, I also don't have to justify my opinions with someone with your level of intelligence.
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This, and the rest of your post, is little more than an exercise in Republican-bashing. Chuck Schumer could not possibly have been more anti-GOP.

Nonetheless, I would much prefer a single-payer system to ObamaCare. So if it is a choice between going "straight" to UHC, or propping up ObamaCare--with no other options available--I would far prefer the former.

My guess is that most other Republicans (and conservatives) would, also...
Chuck Schumer may be anti-GOP although I've always known Schumer to express a willingness to work with Republicans on bipartisan solutions to problems. I don't follow Schumer per se so I could be wrong on his overall attitude toward Republicans and I can only go by what I've seen.

I'm not exactly sure how referring back to the historic "Oppose Anything Obama" agenda of the Republican Party that Republican leaders openly admitted to doing both at the time and since then can be referred to as Republican-bashing. Even without the self-admission of top Republicans the evidence is overwhelming such as blocking hundreds of Obama nominations for positions when there was never any objection by the Republicans to the nominees.

In any case the PPACA was based upon prior Republican and conservative think tank proposals for health care reform but Republicans refused to participate in the crafting of the legislation and voted the "party line" against the legislation based upon the direction of the Republican leadership in the House and Senate.

Your advocacy for a single-payer UHC sort of surprises me. Talk about an absolute and complete take-over of health care in America a single-payer system is as extreme as it gets. Of course many things Republicans say often take me by surprise. For example Republican advocacy for "state control" when the states currently regulate the health insurance companies and then Republicans want to sell health insurance across state lines that nullifies the state's control of the health insurance companies.

Anyway, I'm not a fan of a single-payer health and I'm not even overly fond of Obamacare. If the Democrats and Republicans put their thinking caps on I'm sure that working together they can come up with something far superior to Obamacare.

What sucks currently is the intentional sabotaging of Obamacare by Republicans that have driven the increase in premiums and the withdrawal of insurance companies from some limited markets and then the Republicans try to blame that on the law itself. Obamacare will work but not as long as Republicans have the political power to make it fail.
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What sucks currently is the intentional sabotaging of Obamacare by Republicans that have driven the increase in premiums and the withdrawal of insurance companies from some limited markets and then the Republicans try to blame that on the law itself. Obamacare will work but not as long as Republicans have the political power to make it fail.
Edited to address this.

You do realize that premiums skyrocketed long before Trump, matter of fact, they skyrocketed prior to the actual implementation of the ACA, because insurance companies knew that premium increases would be capped under the PPACA.

Insurance companies started withdrawing a couple of years ago, because of premium limitations and minimum coverage required under those limited premiums. The PPACA was unprofitable, and the insurance companies were suffering losses, and could not continue on the same path and survive.

It's not all the Republicans fault that it failed, though they have not helped it, no argument there. But it would take more than a couple of tweaks to make it self sustaining, and massive overhaul to make it something less than a royal screwing for employers.
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Edited to address this.

You do realize that premiums skyrocketed long before Trump, matter of fact, they skyrocketed prior to the actual implementation of the ACA, because insurance companies knew that premium increases would be capped under the PPACA.

Insurance companies started withdrawing a couple of years ago, because of premium limitations and minimum coverage required under those limited premiums. The PPACA was unprofitable, and the insurance companies were suffering losses, and could not continue on the same path and survive.

It's not all the Republicans fault that it failed, though they have not helped it, no argument there. But it would take more than a couple of tweaks to make it self sustaining, and massive overhaul to make it something less than a royal screwing for employers.
You do realize premiums were doubling regardless of the ACA. They were rising 12% per year. Medicare for all is the only way to cut the cost of healthcare.
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You do realize premiums were doubling regardless of the ACA. They were rising 12% per year. Medicare for all is the only way to cut the cost of healthcare.
But Obama claimed that not only would that stop, but we all would be getting a savings of $2500/year.

A 12% increase would be a blessing to those who have seen premiums rise double and quadruple that. Not to mention those who have lost coverage by those companies who have pilled out of no longer areas,

The medicare option is typical liberal thinking. If it isn't working we must not have spent enough on it yet.
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