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Old 07-25-2017, 09:01 AM
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Then the right should have no problem coming up with something better. Like Trump said better healthcare cheaper for everyone.
That was Obama. $2500/customer I believe was the number.

And millions more were going to get healthcare free.
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That is exactly right and why we have health insurance. Spread the risk. By the way apparently you have reading comprehension problems, I wasn't wishing a heart attack on you. But uh, whatever.
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So if some one else has a 600K heart attack and I am one of the lucky ones to have to pay for it you mean.

You make light of my situation, may you have a situation of your own. Karma bud, karma. I wish the same for you.

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That is exactly right and why we have health insurance. Spread the risk. By the way apparently you have reading comprehension problems, I wasn't wishing a heart attack on you. But uh, whatever.
Spread the risk among like groups and everybody pays per their own risk factor. That's how insurance works.

I don't pay for crop insurance because I have no crops.

I don't pay the same for auto insurance as some others because I am not 16 do not drive a 600 HP vehicle and have a history of no tickets, no accidents.

I pay a bundle for homeowners insurance because I live in a large house.

I pay for more for health insurance, or did, at a higher rate because others can't afford health insurance with cigs at $5.00 a pack.

How is that spreading the risk?
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That is exactly right and why we have health insurance. Spread the risk. By the way apparently you have reading comprehension problems, I wasn't wishing a heart attack on you. But uh, whatever.
Universal insurance doesn't help reduce the risk. It in fact increases it.

I likely won't have a $600K heart attack because I have a low BMI and take precautions for my health and known risk factors. Unlike my YOUNGER brother who though genetically similar, is overweight, smokes and has had TWO of them. Why should I pay a higher premium for his life choices and style?

Diabetics, who don't know it effects their heart, end up in the hospital and that increases my rate? Only if we all must pay for all. And that motivation reduces my reason to live a healthier life style. A reward should be lower health care costs, via lower insurance costs.

But again I must ask the question, has Obamacare made healthcare better ANSD more available. Prior to Obamacare, was the $600K heart attack not performed? Prior to Obamacare was it then only $300K.

Besides the bottom line of most insurers, what, in USA Healthcare has actually improved? What costs have been reduced? Who is getting served with health care that wasn't before?

And while it is a natural progression of politicians to reward those who funded their election, it is not a natural right. When did that make such misuse of the community treasury a birthright?
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When you are in a group that doesn't self select the cost is cheaper. Think group policy at work. Auto and crop insurance are anywhere near the same thing. You/we will pay for everyone in America healthcare care anyway, the only thing we are really discussing is how.
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Spread the risk among like groups and everybody pays per their own risk factor. That's how insurance works.

I don't pay for crop insurance because I have no crops.

I don't pay the same for auto insurance as some others because I am not 16 do not drive a 600 HP vehicle and have a history of no tickets, no accidents.

I pay a bundle for homeowners insurance because I live in a large house.

I pay for more for health insurance, or did, at a higher rate because others can't afford health insurance with cigs at $5.00 a pack.

How is that spreading the risk?
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That is exactly right and why we have health insurance. Spread the risk. By the way apparently you have reading comprehension problems, I wasn't wishing a heart attack on you. But uh, whatever.
Non tobacco user for what 90 days, not over weight, low blood pressure, a little high in the cholesterol, but no meds at 57, none.

I am not a large risk, family history suggests longer life than the averages. So why the he11 am I getting stuck for $30K by the crap the left FORCED on all of us.

Explain this to me or STFU.

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We will pay for everyone's healthcare one way or the other, just figure out how you want to do it. I apparently cant make this stuff simple enough for you to understand so why don't you STFU?
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Non tobacco user for what 90 days, not over weight, low blood pressure, a little high in the cholesterol, but no meds at 57, none.

I am not a large risk, family history suggests longer life than the averages. So why the he11 am I getting stuck for $30K by the crap the left FORCED on all of us.

Explain this to me or STFU.

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We will pay for everyone's healthcare one way or the other, just figure out how you want to do it. I apparently cant make this stuff simple enough for you to understand so why don't you STFU?
Because it is people like you who don't care that some one has to pay $30K for health insurance. I do not deserve this, and you can not tell me why I have to pay it, your just fine with it.

Fuq you and the horse you rode in on. If you can not understand how this harms me financially, fuq you.

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Why do you pay it? I mean, if you know you are so healthy that you will never have to access the system with a major expensive medical event, don't pay it. Of course you don't deserve this you poor widdle victim. You have turned into a stupid hateful piece of ****. **** you Kirk. I don't have anything against your horse.
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Because it is people like you who don't care that some one has to pay $30K for health insurance. I do not deserve this, and you can not tell me why I have to pay it, your just fine with it.

Fuq you and the horse you rode in on. If you can not understand how this harms me financially, fuq you.

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Why do you pay it? I mean, if you know you are so healthy that you will never have to access the system with a major expensive medical event, don't pay it. Of course you don't deserve this you poor widdle victim. You have turned into a stupid hateful piece of ****. **** you Kirk. I don't have anything against your horse.
Surly, with UHC it's not about Kirk paying for his health insurance. It's about Kirk paying for someone else's that is the problem.

I paid the maximum for SSI and medicare for 50 + years. Over and above that I paid for my own insurance. Now I draw both, but I could have done better on my own. Why? Because while paying for mine I was forced to pay for others.
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