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Dog Man 07-18-2017 04:04 PM

New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Well it's here folks. All Democrats will now sing a different tune.

REPUBLICANS MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE ACA! OR MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WILL DIE! OR LOSE THEIR INSURANCE, or something to that effect.

They will all goose step in the opposite direction now.

Surly 07-18-2017 04:07 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Hey, did you hear? The republicans won and are in charge of everything. Now they actually have to do something. As I have always said, the Republicans have nothing better, so all they can do now is blame the Democrats.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dog Man (Post 898929)
Well it's here folks. All Democrats will now sing a different tune.

REPUBLICANS MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE ACA! OR MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WILL DIE! OR LOSE THEIR INSURANCE, or something to that effect.

They will all goose step in the opposite direction now.


Dog Man 07-18-2017 04:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Surly (Post 898931)
Hey, did you hear? The republicans won and are in charge of everything. Now they actually have to do something. As I have always said, the Republicans have nothing better, so all they can do now is blame the Democrats.

You mean Republicans are going to blame the democrats for passing Obamacare? I thought you didn't want the Republicans to change Obamacare?

So now you want them too?

Dog Man 07-18-2017 04:13 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Surly (Post 898931)
Hey, did you hear? The republicans won and are in charge of everything. Now they actually have to do something. As I have always said, the Republicans have nothing better, so all they can do now is blame the Democrats.

Hey did you hear that When Obama was elected with the house and senate, they blamed Bush for everything wrong in the world? they did it for 8 years.

Did you tell them that they were in charge? :rofl2

Surly 07-18-2017 04:23 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
What made you think that? Oh, that is right, you are so partisan you think everyone else is. I forgot.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dog Man (Post 898933)
You mean Republicans are going to blame the democrats for passing Obamacare? I thought you didn't want the Republicans to change Obamacare?

So now you want them too?


Dog Man 07-18-2017 04:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Surly (Post 898939)
What made you think that? Oh, that is right, you are so partisan you think everyone else is. I forgot.

So which is it? Your very obtuse. Do you want republicans to change Obamacare now? A simple yes or no will suffice. But I really don't think you know what you want until the dems tell you what they want you to want.

Surly 07-18-2017 04:40 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
UHC. This is such a dumb post I replied before I thought about it. I have said, since about 1997 or 2000 sometime we have to have UHC. I don't think I am the mindless partisan hack around here. But back to your RWNM talking points before you get confused.
Quote:

Originally Posted by dog man (Post 898942)
so which is it? Your very obtuse. Do you want republicans to change obamacare now? A simple yes or no will suffice. But i really don't think you know what you want until the dems tell you what they want you to want.


Dog Man 07-18-2017 04:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Surly (Post 898945)
UHC. This is such a dumb post I replied before I thought about it. I have said, since about 1997 or 2000 sometime we have to have UHC. I don't think I am the mindless partisan hack around here. But back to your RWNM talking points before you get confused.

Why are you afraid to answer the question? Do you want Republicans to make changes to Obamacare? We were told that if they do millions would lose coverage, and thousands would die.

Yes or No? DO....YOU...WANT... Republicans..to.. make changes?

Don't be afraid, answer with your heart and brain.

CindyB 07-18-2017 04:56 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Don't hold your breath Dog Man, Surly had to go find out how to answer. ;)

Dog Man 07-18-2017 05:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CindyB (Post 898948)
Don't hold your breath Dog Man, Surly had to go find out how to answer. ;)

Yeah, he is off trying to find out if the narrative really changed. If democrats are changing their mind, he will go along with whatever the say. Just like every other lefty here.

By tomorrow the MSM will be bashing Trump for NOT changing Obamacare. and the minions will say "Yeah, Trump Bad" he should have made changes.

WallyWager 07-18-2017 05:12 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dog Man (Post 898929)
Well it's here folks. All Democrats will now sing a different tune.

REPUBLICANS MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE ACA! OR MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WILL DIE! OR LOSE THEIR INSURANCE, or something to that effect.

They will all goose step in the opposite direction now.

Pretty sure that's a fire hazard having all that straw around.

Surly 07-18-2017 05:15 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
I now want, and have always wanted, universal healthcare. Neither of you can understand this?
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dog Man (Post 898946)
Why are you afraid to answer the question? Do you want Republicans to make changes to Obamacare? We were told that if they do millions would lose coverage, and thousands would die.

Yes or No? DO....YOU...WANT... Republicans..to.. make changes?

Don't be afraid, answer with your heart and brain.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CindyB (Post 898948)
Don't hold your breath Dog Man, Surly had to go find out how to answer. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dog Man (Post 898952)
Yeah, he is off trying to find out if the narrative really changed. If democrats are changing their mind, he will go along with whatever the say. Just like every other lefty here.

By tomorrow the MSM will be bashing Trump for NOT changing Obamacare. and the minions will say "Yeah, Trump Bad" he should have made changes.


300 H and H 07-18-2017 06:10 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Surly (Post 898956)
I now want, and have always wanted, universal healthcare. Neither of you can understand this?

And who will pay for it is the problem? :mad It has never been a right in our nation, ever. Why should it be now?

Regards, Kirk

Surly 07-18-2017 06:15 PM

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I have never argued it is a right. either we push people to the curb or pay for everyone one way or the other. You do understand that right?
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Originally Posted by 300 H and H (Post 898957)
And who will pay for it is the problem? :mad It has never been a right in our nation, ever. Why should it be now?

Regards, Kirk


winston53660 07-18-2017 07:23 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 300 H and H (Post 898957)
And who will pay for it is the problem? :mad It has never been a right in our nation, ever. Why should it be now?

Regards, Kirk

Kirk we already pay for health for those that can not afford it. So what is your point?

300 H and H 07-18-2017 07:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by winston53660 (Post 898959)
Kirk we already pay for health for those that can not afford it. So what is your point?

Yes we did, and we did it without the ACA when my insurance was 12K per year.

Now it is 30K and I am pissed. :mad

Who the fuq wouldn't be. I am paying a wage for a person for just my family health care. :mad

Get it now? Cost sharing locally was WAY CHEAPER. :wave

Regards, Kirk

winston53660 07-18-2017 08:17 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 300 H and H (Post 898961)
Yes we did, and we did it without the ACA when my insurance was 12K per year.

Now it is 30K and I am pissed. :mad

Who the fuq wouldn't be. I am paying a wage for a person for just my family health care. :mad

Get it now? Cost sharing locally was WAY CHEAPER. :wave

Regards, Kirk

What in the world are you talking about?

300 H and H 07-18-2017 09:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by winston53660 (Post 898962)
What in the world are you talking about?

What was done with emergency room expenses. Oh I forget you liberals think this stuff is free. :rolls

ER made no profit or no loss either. Cost were transferred to those who were billed and had insurance, and were covered. No profits how ever.

The poor go to the emergency room, or used to. :wave

The old way cut out this.

http://library.intellectualtakeout.o...care-flowchart

Do you understand now? Or do I have to continue to explain the cost of ACA?

The left fuqed this up and I want blood. Pissed I am. :mad

Regards, Kirk

Surly 07-18-2017 10:01 PM

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mindless babble. the ER is a profit center. Confused you am.
Quote:

Originally Posted by 300 H and H (Post 898967)
What was done with emergency room expenses. Oh I forget you liberals think this stuff is free. :rolls

ER made no profit or no loss either. Cost were transferred to those who were billed and had insurance, and were covered. No profits how ever.

The poor go to the emergency room, or used to. :wave

The old way cut out this.

http://library.intellectualtakeout.o...care-flowchart

Do you understand now? Or do I have to continue to explain the cost of ACA?

The left fuqed this up and I want blood. Pissed I am. :mad

Regards, Kirk


winston53660 07-18-2017 10:20 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 300 H and H (Post 898967)
What was done with emergency room expenses. Oh I forget you liberals think this stuff is free. :rolls

ER made no profit or no loss either. Cost were transferred to those who were billed and had insurance, and were covered. No profits how ever.

The poor go to the emergency room, or used to. :wave

The old way cut out this.

http://library.intellectualtakeout.o...care-flowchart

Do you understand now? Or do I have to continue to explain the cost of ACA?

The left fuqed this up and I want blood. Pissed I am. :mad

Regards, Kirk

Okay where is that in that chart?

Mikeyy 07-18-2017 11:22 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dog Man (Post 898929)
Well it's here folks. All Democrats will now sing a different tune.

REPUBLICANS MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE ACA! OR MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WILL DIE! OR LOSE THEIR INSURANCE, or something to that effect.

They will all goose step in the opposite direction now.

I just checked the thread to learn what I would say. All I have to say is I am for single payer and always have been. If the two sides work together to help us all that would be great but I don't see how it is possible using the current system.

AZRWinger 07-19-2017 07:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Surly (Post 898956)
I now want, and have always wanted, universal healthcare. Neither of you can understand this?

Well then, you must have been really upset when the Democrats were in charge of everything but failed to produce UHC or single payer or even include the public option. Even diehard single payer or bust Democrats like Dennis Kucinich lined up to vote for Obamacare. ;)

But instead of sweeping away the toxic mess of Obamacare to make way for UHC, it's whine about Republicans wanting to strip people of their healthcare.:rolls

Surly 07-19-2017 08:56 AM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
It must suck being a mindless partisan hack. I really don't have much use for either partry for this reason.
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Originally Posted by AZRWinger (Post 899016)
Well then, you must have been really upset when the Democrats were in charge of everything but failed to produce UHC or single payer or even include the public option. Even diehard single payer or bust Democrats like Dennis Kucinich lined up to vote for Obamacare. ;)

But instead of sweeping away the toxic mess of Obamacare to make way for UHC, it's whine about Republicans wanting to strip people of their healthcare.:rolls


Dog Man 07-19-2017 09:11 AM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikeyy (Post 898992)
I just checked the thread to learn what I would say. All I have to say is I am for single payer and always have been. If the two sides work together to help us all that would be great but I don't see how it is possible using the current system.

Yes Mikey I know, you and Surly want a total government take-over of Americas health care.

Surly 07-19-2017 09:16 AM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
I will say it one more time, I am for UHC based on EBP and with a single party payer. Our profit based system is the least efficient system in the world. Try thinking about this, this country has effectively had UHC for probably 50 years.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dog Man (Post 899024)
Yes Mikey I know, you and Surly want a total government take-over of Americas health care.


AZRWinger 07-19-2017 01:57 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Surly (Post 899019)
It must suck being a mindless partisan hack. I really don't have much use for either partry for this reason.

Oh, so your an "independent" like Beach House Bernie the inspiration for violent Bernie Bros like the would be assassin that attacked the Republican baseball team. Oh well, it is better than being a partisan hack.;)

ShivaTD 07-19-2017 03:42 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dog Man (Post 898929)
Well it's here folks. All Democrats will now sing a different tune.

REPUBLICANS MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE ACA! OR MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WILL DIE! OR LOSE THEIR INSURANCE, or something to that effect.

They will all goose step in the opposite direction now.

I'm not quite understanding this.

The Republicans appear incapable of repealing key provisions of the ACA that would be a quick death blow by forcing it into instant failure.

The Republicans have already driven the premium prices way above what they should have been under Obamacare where the initial losses to the insurance companies for insuring those with pre-conditions were to be reimbursed up to 80% (Republicans only funded 12% as I recall).

The failure to fund the losses forced the premium increases and also drove some of the insurance companies out of certain markets (e.g. rural markets where it was hard for the insurance companies to break even under future forecasts). Now 39 predominately rural county "markets" affecting about 25,000 people don't have any insurance companies. While most of the country is looking good presently there remains the problem of Congress funding the losses by the insurance companies (that Republicans filed a lawsuit against funding - won - and now it's awaiting a Supreme Court hearing) because it's driven premiums up (along with the cost to the government to provide subsidies).

So Obamacare has problems but most of them were driving by Republican actions (or inactions in the case of funding the insurance company losses).

If there's nothing to replace Obamacare then it collapses and results in the same 22 million (or more) uninsured that the Republican repeal was going to cause.

If Republicans don't repeal then they're on the hook for ensuring that those covered by Obamacare don't lose their insurance. That means the Republicans are going to have to fund what they've refused to fund in trying to make Obamacare fail.

There are other minor issues with Obamacare that Democrats want to address, and that Republicans probably support fixing as well, but the biggie is keeping the insurance companies in the markets and that requires the Republicans to fund the losses of the insurance companies. Yes, they'll need a few votes from the Democrats but that's slam-dunk certainty.

Finally it's not the Democrats but the American people that are going to demand the Republicans do something to make Obamacare. Only 17% of Americans were supporting the Repeal effort by the GOP which means a lot of Americans, including a lot of Republicans, are going to demand the GOP fix the funding so that the insurance continues into the future.

Sorry to tell the right-wing but they totally own Obamacare now. Their years of trying to make it fail didn't quite work and their blatant attempt to make it fail seems to not be working either. Guess what. If you try to destroy it and fail then you own whatever remains of it.

300 H and H 07-19-2017 04:44 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by winston53660 (Post 898981)
Okay where is that in that chart?

In the link I provided. :rolls

http://library.intellectualtakeout.o...care-flowchart

Are you blind dumb or both? You to Suly, ER is now a profit center since ACA was passed 7 years ago.

Look at this Fuqing flow chart and tell me it is free to use all the bullsh1t it entails. :mad

Regards, Kirk

Surly 07-19-2017 04:59 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
It is better than being a partisan hack, being a partisan hack makes one stupid. Who is Beach House Bernie, was that the movie about the dead guy?
Quote:

Originally Posted by AZRWinger (Post 899091)
Oh, so your an "independent" like Beach House Bernie the inspiration for violent Bernie Bros like the would be assassin that attacked the Republican baseball team. Oh well, it is better than being a partisan hack.;)


Dog Man 07-19-2017 05:03 PM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Surly (Post 899108)
It is better than being a partisan hack, being a partisan hack makes one stupid. Who is Beach House Bernie, was that the movie about the dead guy?

Oh good grief Surly, your as partisan as the rest of us. Get off that horse, it's far too high for you.

AZRWinger 07-20-2017 07:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Surly (Post 899108)
It is better than being a partisan hack, being a partisan hack makes one stupid. Who is Beach House Bernie, was that the movie about the dead guy?

Name calling and faux ignorance, brilliant. You want UHC but refuse to discuss the fact it will be worse than Obamacare's politicized medicine, it is just easier to call names.

Socialist Democrat Senator Bernie Sanders was portrayed as a noble public servant of modest means when he was campaigning for the Presidential nomination. No speech was complete without railing against greedy millionaires and billionaires. After Hillary's puppets on the rigged the primary process to defeat Bernie Sanders, we suddenly find out he consoled himself with a $600K beach house his 3rd home.:rolls Hence the moniker Beach House Bernie. :thumbsup

Surly 07-20-2017 07:37 AM

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Who did I call a name? Oh, and I am not a Democrat so telling me bad things about democrats doesn't hurt me, like it would, say a partisan hack. I was thinking of that dead guy the college kids were pretending was alive...I think it was vacation with Bernie or something.
Quote:

Originally Posted by AZRWinger (Post 899169)
Name calling and faux ignorance, brilliant. You want UHC but refuse to discuss the fact it will be worse than Obamacare's politicized medicine, it is just easier to call names.

Socialist Democrat Senator Bernie Sanders was portrayed as a noble public servant of modest means when he was campaigning for the Presidential nomination. No speech was complete without railing against greedy millionaires and billionaires. After Hillary's puppets on the rigged the primary process to defeat Bernie Sanders, we suddenly find out he consoled himself with a $600K beach house his 3rd home.:rolls Hence the moniker Beach House Bernie. :thumbsup


AZRWinger 07-20-2017 07:51 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Surly (Post 899170)
Who did I call a name? Oh, and I am not a Democrat so telling me bad things about democrats doesn't hurt me, like it would, say a partisan hack. I was thinking of that dead guy the college kids were pretending was alive...I think it was vacation with Bernie or something.

You offered up the playground insult "partisan hack" in a comment where you quote me and no one else. :rolls Gee, it takes a lot to figure that out.:eek

Yes, it is obvious you want to avoid recognition of Beach House Bernie's hypocrisy and the violence it spawns in his followers. That is why you natter on about some movie character. Thar's typical of Leftists claiming to be independents, just refuse to discuss the talking points they have been spoon fed.;)

Surly 07-20-2017 07:56 AM

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You are so funny...I don't give a hoot about Bernie Sanders. When I talk about Trump does that really hurt your feelings? Is that why you think I am trying to avoid thinking about Sanders?
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Originally Posted by AZRWinger (Post 899172)
You offered up the playground insult "partisan hack" in a comment where you quote me and no one else. :rolls Gee, it takes a lot to figure that out.:eek

Yes, it is obvious you want to avoid recognition of Beach House Bernie's hypocrisy and the violence it spawns in his followers. That is why you natter on about some movie character. Thar's typical of Leftists claiming to be independents, just refuse to discuss the talking points they have been spoon fed.;)


AZRWinger 07-20-2017 08:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Surly (Post 899173)
You are so funny...I don't give a hoot about Bernie Sanders. When I talk about Trump does that really hurt your feelings? Is that why you think I am trying to avoid thinking about Sanders?

Evidently you don't give a hoot about discussing Obamacare or your infatuation with UHC, otherwise you wouldn't have wasted multiple posts with petty insults and diversions from the topic. Oh but wait, that is the "new" Left wing narrative, mockery and insult instead of discussion. :o

Surly 07-20-2017 08:30 AM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Ok, what aspect of evidence based practice would you like to discuss?

AZRWinger 07-20-2017 08:34 AM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ShivaTD (Post 899099)
I'm not quite understanding this.

The Republicans appear incapable of repealing key provisions of the ACA that would be a quick death blow by forcing it into instant failure.

The Republicans have already driven the premium prices way above what they should have been under Obamacare where the initial losses to the insurance companies for insuring those with pre-conditions were to be reimbursed up to 80% (Republicans only funded 12% as I recall).

The failure to fund the losses forced the premium increases and also drove some of the insurance companies out of certain markets (e.g. rural markets where it was hard for the insurance companies to break even under future forecasts). Now 39 predominately rural county "markets" affecting about 25,000 people don't have any insurance companies. While most of the country is looking good presently there remains the problem of Congress funding the losses by the insurance companies (that Republicans filed a lawsuit against funding - won - and now it's awaiting a Supreme Court hearing) because it's driven premiums up (along with the cost to the government to provide subsidies).

So Obamacare has problems but most of them were driving by Republican actions (or inactions in the case of funding the insurance company losses).

If there's nothing to replace Obamacare then it collapses and results in the same 22 million (or more) uninsured that the Republican repeal was going to cause.

If Republicans don't repeal then they're on the hook for ensuring that those covered by Obamacare don't lose their insurance. That means the Republicans are going to have to fund what they've refused to fund in trying to make Obamacare fail.

There are other minor issues with Obamacare that Democrats want to address, and that Republicans probably support fixing as well, but the biggie is keeping the insurance companies in the markets and that requires the Republicans to fund the losses of the insurance companies. Yes, they'll need a few votes from the Democrats but that's slam-dunk certainty.

Finally it's not the Democrats but the American people that are going to demand the Republicans do something to make Obamacare. Only 17% of Americans were supporting the Repeal effort by the GOP which means a lot of Americans, including a lot of Republicans, are going to demand the GOP fix the funding so that the insurance continues into the future.

Sorry to tell the right-wing but they totally own Obamacare now. Their years of trying to make it fail didn't quite work and their blatant attempt to make it fail seems to not be working either. Guess what. If you try to destroy it and fail then you own whatever remains of it.

There you go, blame the Obamacare failure on Republicans then propose the universal Democrat solution for failed Federal programs, plunder the Treasury. Really, all Obamacare needs is more taxpayer subsidy. After all there is a endless supply, right.;)

Surly 07-20-2017 08:38 AM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
We already pay for all the healthcare in America. Since we already pay for it how is paying for it going to plunder our country?
Quote:

Originally Posted by AZRWinger (Post 899178)
There you go, blame the Obamacare failure on Republicans then propose the universal Democrat solution for failed Federal programs, plunder the Treasury. Really, all Obamacare needs is more taxpayer subsidy. After all there is a endless supply, right.;)


Dog Man 07-20-2017 09:51 AM

Re: New leftwing ACA narrative
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Surly (Post 899179)
We already pay for all the healthcare in America. Since we already pay for it how is paying for it going to plunder our country?

Yeah I pay a big share of it and never use it.

Surly do you really trust the Government to do a good job with health care? I don't.

Do you think anything will be streamlined and more efficient? I don't, I think the red tape alone will make people hate it.
Do you know that I have to pay a third party in order to do business with the government? Just to do the extreme amount of paperwork every friggin year. Every year the rules and regulations change and buries people like me.

Do you think a government run healthcare will care about people more than the people that compete for your business? I don't

I think it will be the biggest bureaucratic boondoggle in history, and the cost to this country and the people will far exceed what we have now.

Yes I know other countries have done it. Cuba, Venezuela, etc... But nothing on the scale of what you want.

mlurp 07-20-2017 03:40 PM

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Great another "more hateful than the last thread" :sad Doesn't anyone want more than hateful crap?

What about getting something done for the majority of the citizens and also improving this country..

I guess you haters are liking things as they are... :crazy


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