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It is better than being a partisan hack, being a partisan hack makes one stupid. Who is Beach House Bernie, was that the movie about the dead guy?
Name calling and faux ignorance, brilliant. You want UHC but refuse to discuss the fact it will be worse than Obamacare's politicized medicine, it is just easier to call names.

Socialist Democrat Senator Bernie Sanders was portrayed as a noble public servant of modest means when he was campaigning for the Presidential nomination. No speech was complete without railing against greedy millionaires and billionaires. After Hillary's puppets on the rigged the primary process to defeat Bernie Sanders, we suddenly find out he consoled himself with a $600K beach house his 3rd home. Hence the moniker Beach House Bernie.
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Who did I call a name? Oh, and I am not a Democrat so telling me bad things about democrats doesn't hurt me, like it would, say a partisan hack. I was thinking of that dead guy the college kids were pretending was alive...I think it was vacation with Bernie or something.
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Name calling and faux ignorance, brilliant. You want UHC but refuse to discuss the fact it will be worse than Obamacare's politicized medicine, it is just easier to call names.

Socialist Democrat Senator Bernie Sanders was portrayed as a noble public servant of modest means when he was campaigning for the Presidential nomination. No speech was complete without railing against greedy millionaires and billionaires. After Hillary's puppets on the rigged the primary process to defeat Bernie Sanders, we suddenly find out he consoled himself with a $600K beach house his 3rd home. Hence the moniker Beach House Bernie.
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Who did I call a name? Oh, and I am not a Democrat so telling me bad things about democrats doesn't hurt me, like it would, say a partisan hack. I was thinking of that dead guy the college kids were pretending was alive...I think it was vacation with Bernie or something.
You offered up the playground insult "partisan hack" in a comment where you quote me and no one else. Gee, it takes a lot to figure that out.

Yes, it is obvious you want to avoid recognition of Beach House Bernie's hypocrisy and the violence it spawns in his followers. That is why you natter on about some movie character. Thar's typical of Leftists claiming to be independents, just refuse to discuss the talking points they have been spoon fed.
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You are so funny...I don't give a hoot about Bernie Sanders. When I talk about Trump does that really hurt your feelings? Is that why you think I am trying to avoid thinking about Sanders?
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You offered up the playground insult "partisan hack" in a comment where you quote me and no one else. Gee, it takes a lot to figure that out.

Yes, it is obvious you want to avoid recognition of Beach House Bernie's hypocrisy and the violence it spawns in his followers. That is why you natter on about some movie character. Thar's typical of Leftists claiming to be independents, just refuse to discuss the talking points they have been spoon fed.
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You are so funny...I don't give a hoot about Bernie Sanders. When I talk about Trump does that really hurt your feelings? Is that why you think I am trying to avoid thinking about Sanders?
Evidently you don't give a hoot about discussing Obamacare or your infatuation with UHC, otherwise you wouldn't have wasted multiple posts with petty insults and diversions from the topic. Oh but wait, that is the "new" Left wing narrative, mockery and insult instead of discussion.
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Ok, what aspect of evidence based practice would you like to discuss?
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I'm not quite understanding this.

The Republicans appear incapable of repealing key provisions of the ACA that would be a quick death blow by forcing it into instant failure.

The Republicans have already driven the premium prices way above what they should have been under Obamacare where the initial losses to the insurance companies for insuring those with pre-conditions were to be reimbursed up to 80% (Republicans only funded 12% as I recall).

The failure to fund the losses forced the premium increases and also drove some of the insurance companies out of certain markets (e.g. rural markets where it was hard for the insurance companies to break even under future forecasts). Now 39 predominately rural county "markets" affecting about 25,000 people don't have any insurance companies. While most of the country is looking good presently there remains the problem of Congress funding the losses by the insurance companies (that Republicans filed a lawsuit against funding - won - and now it's awaiting a Supreme Court hearing) because it's driven premiums up (along with the cost to the government to provide subsidies).

So Obamacare has problems but most of them were driving by Republican actions (or inactions in the case of funding the insurance company losses).

If there's nothing to replace Obamacare then it collapses and results in the same 22 million (or more) uninsured that the Republican repeal was going to cause.

If Republicans don't repeal then they're on the hook for ensuring that those covered by Obamacare don't lose their insurance. That means the Republicans are going to have to fund what they've refused to fund in trying to make Obamacare fail.

There are other minor issues with Obamacare that Democrats want to address, and that Republicans probably support fixing as well, but the biggie is keeping the insurance companies in the markets and that requires the Republicans to fund the losses of the insurance companies. Yes, they'll need a few votes from the Democrats but that's slam-dunk certainty.

Finally it's not the Democrats but the American people that are going to demand the Republicans do something to make Obamacare. Only 17% of Americans were supporting the Repeal effort by the GOP which means a lot of Americans, including a lot of Republicans, are going to demand the GOP fix the funding so that the insurance continues into the future.

Sorry to tell the right-wing but they totally own Obamacare now. Their years of trying to make it fail didn't quite work and their blatant attempt to make it fail seems to not be working either. Guess what. If you try to destroy it and fail then you own whatever remains of it.
There you go, blame the Obamacare failure on Republicans then propose the universal Democrat solution for failed Federal programs, plunder the Treasury. Really, all Obamacare needs is more taxpayer subsidy. After all there is a endless supply, right.
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We already pay for all the healthcare in America. Since we already pay for it how is paying for it going to plunder our country?
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There you go, blame the Obamacare failure on Republicans then propose the universal Democrat solution for failed Federal programs, plunder the Treasury. Really, all Obamacare needs is more taxpayer subsidy. After all there is a endless supply, right.
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We already pay for all the healthcare in America. Since we already pay for it how is paying for it going to plunder our country?
Yeah I pay a big share of it and never use it.

Surly do you really trust the Government to do a good job with health care? I don't.

Do you think anything will be streamlined and more efficient? I don't, I think the red tape alone will make people hate it.
Do you know that I have to pay a third party in order to do business with the government? Just to do the extreme amount of paperwork every friggin year. Every year the rules and regulations change and buries people like me.

Do you think a government run healthcare will care about people more than the people that compete for your business? I don't

I think it will be the biggest bureaucratic boondoggle in history, and the cost to this country and the people will far exceed what we have now.

Yes I know other countries have done it. Cuba, Venezuela, etc... But nothing on the scale of what you want.
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Great another "more hateful than the last thread" Doesn't anyone want more than hateful crap?

What about getting something done for the majority of the citizens and also improving this country..

I guess you haters are liking things as they are...
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