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Analysis: Trump Will Claim Health Care Win _ or Shift Blame

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By DONNA CASSATA and ERICA WERNER, Associated Press
July 13, 2017

WASHINGTON (AP) If congressional Republicans succeed in repealing and replacing "Obamacare," expect a big Rose Garden celebration with President Donald Trump taking credit. If they fail? Trump has already indicated he will hold Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell responsible, setting up an intraparty blame game that could be devastating for the GOP. Trump made it clear this week the onus for delivering a major Republican achievement and fulfilling seven years of GOP promises is on the six-term Kentucky senator, who is battle-hardened by legislative negotiating not on the president and author of "The Art of the Deal." "Mitch has to pull it off. He's working very hard. He's got to pull it off," Trump said in an interview for the Christian Broadcasting Network's "The 700 Club." Trump has cast himself as a bystander in the months-long process, saying he's sitting in the Oval Office waiting to sign a bill erasing much of the 2010 Obamacare law. He is reminding GOP lawmakers who promised so often to repeal and replace, and voted repeatedly but never finally to do it, that they better not blow this best shot. And if they do, "I will be very angry about it, and a lot of people will be very upset," the president says.

Most Republicans say that even though the GOP's health care bills have polled poorly, and they will be forced to defend yanking insurance coverage from millions, a worse result would be failing to repeal. That would undermine the GOP's ability to present itself as a governing party, while breaking seven years of promises. The Republican in the White House might be able to dodge the finger-pointing that would surely follow. But he might be the only one. "I think the whole party is going to be responsible so everyone with that label is probably going to have to bear responsibility no matter what they go home and claim," said conservative former Sen. Jim DeMint.
Trump, Ryan, and McConnell will bear short-term responsibility, but the Congressional GOP will face the wrath of the people in 2018 is they pass a bill stripping healthcare from tens of millions of Americans.
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THE BLAME BELONGS OT THE DEMOCRATS WHO BROKE THE SYSTEM.

Partisan congress and a partisan president and you get a train wreck. The Democrats tried and failed to control and destroy our great country, until the American people rose up and put the Dems and the left in their place, in the gutter...

You will NEVER put the blame for the ACA act on Republicans.

This fuq up on the part of Democrats will cost them for a decade or more. We will make sure of that.

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THE BLAME BELONGS OT THE DEMOCRATS WHO BROKE THE SYSTEM.

Partisan congress and a partisan president and you get a train wreck. The Democrats tried and failed to control and destroy our great country, until the American people rose up and put the Dems and the left in their place, in the gutter...

You will NEVER put the blame for the ACA act on Republicans.

This fuq up on the part of Democrats will cost them for a decade or more. We will make sure of that.

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Yes, the blame for the ACA, and our current state of healthcare insurance in general, goes to the Democrats.

However, if the Republicans that ran on the promise to repeal this mess, don't man up and do what they were sent to Washington to do, they will bear the brunt of the blame as those of us in fly over country, will look for candidates that will follow through on their promises.
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THE BLAME BELONGS OT THE DEMOCRATS WHO BROKE THE SYSTEM.

Partisan congress and a partisan president and you get a train wreck. The Democrats tried and failed to control and destroy our great country, until the American people rose up and put the Dems and the left in their place, in the gutter...

You will NEVER put the blame for the ACA act on Republicans.

This fuq up on the part of Democrats will cost them for a decade or more. We will make sure of that.

Regards, Kirk

Don't be too sure, Kirk. If the Republicans attempt a fix and screw it up, they will have assumed the responsibility. At this point any fix will be a screw up.

The only answer I can see is to repeal with a 90 day out grace period, then sit back and let the Democrats propose something.

Properly handled, the blame should remain where it belongs.
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Hey did you hear? The Republicans won the election. Guess who that makes the responsible party. For 8 years the RWers have babbled on about repeal and or replace, now is the time. The Democrats are just obstructing that is the problem of being in charge. And in this case I think it is Karma.
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Don't be too sure, Kirk. If the Republicans attempt a fix and screw it up, they will have assumed the responsibility. At this point any fix will be a screw up.

The only answer I can see is to repeal with a 90 day out grace period, then sit back and let the Democrats propose something.

Properly handled, the blame should remain where it belongs.
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Hey did you hear? The Republicans won the election. Guess who that makes the responsible party. For 8 years the RWers have babbled on about repeal and or replace, now is the time. The Democrats are just obstructing that is the problem of being in charge. And in this case I think it is Karma.
Congress is not about children on some team winning and taking over the clubhouse, for the information of any dumbass
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Congress has been overrun by baboons, and the cheerleaders are kicking the crap out of each other trying to claim superiority over the other "team".
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Hey did you hear? The Republicans won the election. Guess who that makes the responsible party. For 8 years the RWers have babbled on about repeal and or replace, now is the time. The Democrats are just obstructing that is the problem of being in charge. And in this case I think it is Karma.
I don't disagree with you. For 8 years the Democrats have known that Obamacare needed fixing and did nothing. The Republicans did did something. Passed a repeal bill over 50 times knowing it would never make it out of Committee, and apparently believing that they would never have to make good on their promises. Neither side will win this one.

Crap like this on both sides is why I voted for President Trump. Now in the '18 elections I will vote for any candidate who is not them.

I was addressing Kirk's post that the Democrats own the blame. Partly or mostly, they do. But partly or mostly, so do the Republicans.
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Sometimes you are just right and there is no way I can deny it.
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