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Are you F'ing kidding me . They demanded to get rid of the single payer option!
At least you correctly called it a single payer option instead of the euphemism "government option." Obamacare was passed by straight party line Democrat vote. Supposedly hard line single payer advocates like Dennis Kuchinich who declared he would accept nothing less than single payer voted for Obamacare's designed to fail system.

The only reason Obamacare is not the mythical single payer paradise is not enough Democrats would have voted for it. That is no joke it is just fact.

The current crop of Senate Democrats are insisting that Republicans abandon attempts to "repeal" Obamacare as a precondition to bipartisan reform. They have poisoned the well then complain when others refuse to drink from it.
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You have two choices in US for a healthcare system, Universal Healthcare or or our old profit based system which will eventually bankrupt the country if we don't push those who cant or wont pay to the curb. Since the Repubs have already condemned any sort of mandate as loss of all freedom, they have backed themselves into a corner there is no way out of.
Repeating the same nonsense about pushing the unsure to the curb and the health care system bankrupting the country doesn’t make it suddenly accurate. The demogogory about pushing sick people to the curb ignores the public healthcare system for the indigent that existed long before Obamacare’s toxic scheme was unleashed. The fear mongering about a private insurance oriented health care system bankrupting the country ignores the phenomenon of increased ER usage and explosive premium increases under Obamacare. Of course the Democrat "solution " is to plunder the Treasury further as if it is bottomless.
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So then you must admit everyone gets healthcare. So unless there is a mandate you are going to pay for others healthcare. You more against free healthcare or a mandate? You have to pick one. This is why the Repubs cant come up with a plan.
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"American Health Care Plan" courtesy of the GOP.

The Plan takes $834 billion away from Medicaid and re-distributes $664 billion of this Medicaid money to high income people as tax breaks...



"CBO and JCT estimate that, in 2018, 14 million more people would be uninsured under H.R. 1628 than under current law. The increase in the number of uninsured people relative to the number projected under current law would reach 19 million in 2020 and 23 million in 2026. In 2026, an estimated 51 million people under age 65 would be uninsured, compared with 28 million who would lack insurance that year under current law. Under the legislation, a few million of those people would use tax credits to purchase policies that would not cover major medical risks."

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So then you must admit everyone gets healthcare. So unless there is a mandate you are going to pay for others healthcare. You more against free healthcare or a mandate? You have to pick one. This is why the Repubs cant come up with a plan.
We paid for others healthcare before Obamacare and we pay for it under the individual mandate scheme. Obamacare includes a raft of taxes to support the subsidized individual policies, insurance company loss reimbursement and Medicaid expansion. Obamacare has failed to attract healthy individuals to purchase it's bloated policies with sky high deductibles and premiums to match even with an individual mandate tax.
Obamacare has done just the opposite of reducing utilization of the most expensive healthcare delivery modality, ER treatment has increased under the law. Meanwhile 19 of 23 clinics subsidized by Obamacare have gone bankrupt with the others in serious financial distress.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usato...tory/26625571/

No, we don't have to choose between arsenic and strychnine for a healthcare system. We can choose a market oriented system where the government steps back and encourages competition between providers while providing states with the flexibility to administer indecent healthcare programs and high risk pools on their own. Considering what minimally regulated marks have done in other sectors, better products for less cost, it is no wonder statists on both sides of the aisle oppose it.
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I dotn care about Obamacare. Obama is no longer the president and now the Repubs are in power. Without talking about Obama, how is the conservatives gonna keep them people from getting free healthcare and lower the costs for all of us? oh yae, and keep profits high. free market and healthcare just don't go together if you allow access by people who don't participate. We will someday end up with a UHC system based on science instead of profit. The Republicans don't even pretend their "plan" will work, all they know is Obama bad.
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We paid for others healthcare before Obamacare and we pay for it under the individual mandate scheme. Obamacare includes a raft of taxes to support the subsidized individual policies, insurance company loss reimbursement and Medicaid expansion. Obamacare has failed to attract healthy individuals to purchase it's bloated policies with sky high deductibles and premiums to match even with an individual mandate tax.
Obamacare has done just the opposite of reducing utilization of the most expensive healthcare delivery modality, ER treatment has increased under the law. Meanwhile 19 of 23 clinics subsidized by Obamacare have gone bankrupt with the others in serious financial distress.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.usato...tory/26625571/

No, we don't have to choose between arsenic and strychnine for a healthcare system. We can choose a market oriented system where the government steps back and encourages competition between providers while providing states with the flexibility to administer indecent healthcare programs and high risk pools on their own. Considering what minimally regulated marks have done in other sectors, better products for less cost, it is no wonder statists on both sides of the aisle oppose it.
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