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The CBO has now released the numbers; and--on the surface, at least--they do not look especially good for the GOP.

The CBO projects that 14 million people will lose their healthcare coverage in 2018; and that this will balloon to 21 million just two years later.

Not so often mentioned, however, is the fact that the CBO says that the cost of healthcare insurance will go down as soon as 2020. (It is presumed to increase a bit prior to then.)

Also not mentioned is the fact that ObamaCare is set to implode very soon; so it is really not a question of whether we would prefer the ACA (Affordable Care Act; a.k.a. "ObamaCare") or the AHCA.

Rather, it is merely a question of whether we would prefer the AHCA or the status quo ante (say, prior to 2010).

Because if the AHCA is not passed, that is surely what we will soon have. (In fact, many insurers are already pulling out of ObamaCare.)
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The CBO has now released the numbers; and--on the surface, at least--they do not look especially good for the GOP.

The CBO projects that 14 million people will lose their healthcare coverage in 2018; and that this will balloon to 21 million just two years later.

Not so often mentioned, however, is the fact that the CBO says that the cost of healthcare insurance will go down as soon as 2020. (It is presumed to increase a bit prior to then.)

Also not mentioned is the fact that ObamaCare is set to implode very soon; so it is really not a question of whether we would prefer the ACA (Affordable Care Act; a.k.a. "ObamaCare") or the AHCA.

Rather, it is merely a question of whether we would prefer the AHCA or the status quo ante (say, prior to 2010).

Because if the AHCA is not passed, that is surely what we will soon have. (In fact, many insurers are already pulling out of ObamaCare.)
CBO got Obama care completely wrong. I wouldn't believe them, nor use them as a credible source, if they gave Trump/Ryan care high marks.
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yup
and if every democrat campaigned against and tried to thwart it at every turn legally and through propaganda, trump care will implode.
truth is it will increase your premiums especially seniors.
the very white working class who voted for trump however will either not be covered or be at the mercy of CEO bottom liners who don't give a frankincense about trump voters
coupled with a disastrous budget and cuts to medicaid and privatization of social security, I imagine they will again feel screwed by their leaders
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yup
and if every democrat campaigned against and tried to thwart it at every turn legally and through propaganda, trump care will implode.
truth is it will increase your premiums especially seniors.
the very white working class who voted for trump however will either not be covered or be at the mercy of CEO bottom liners who don't give a frankincense about trump voters
coupled with a disastrous budget and cuts to medicaid and privatization of social security, I imagine they will again feel screwed by their leaders
and i heard it was 14 mill in 2018 and 24 million more people losing insurance by 2026, but different conflicting reports...
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CBO got Obama care completely wrong. I wouldn't believe them, nor use them as a credible source, if they gave Trump/Ryan care high marks.
Except that they were closer than anyone else.
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and i heard it was 14 mill in 2018 and 24 million more people losing insurance by 2026, but different conflicting reports...
If you're making up numbers, you can make up any number you want.

CBO takes numbers hand picked and hand fed to it and tries to make sense of something using those numbers.

The intended result is making your numbers look official. So it's garbage in, garbage out.
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yup
and if every democrat campaigned against and tried to thwart it at every turn legally and through propaganda, trump care will implode.
truth is it will increase your premiums especially seniors.
the very white working class who voted for trump however will either not be covered or be at the mercy of CEO bottom liners who don't give a frankincense about trump voters
coupled with a disastrous budget and cuts to medicaid and privatization of social security, I imagine they will again feel screwed by their leaders
How on earth is Trump care or more accurately Ryancare going to affect seniors? Medicare will not be changed.

SS, having nothing to with Ryancare, is a different issue.

I love your notion that Ryancare can be defeated through propaganda. That's the standard liberal plan. If you got nuthin' make something up and shout it from the rooftops. Since the boy has cried once too often, it doesn't work as well as it once did.

But when you got nuthun' you run with what you got.
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The CBO has now released the numbers; and--on the surface, at least--they do not look especially good for the GOP.

The CBO projects that 14 million people will lose their healthcare coverage in 2018; and that this will balloon to 24 million just two years later.
Correction is bolded.

Surprise surprise. Trump lied. Right to your faces.

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Everybody's got to be covered.
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We're gonna come up with a new plan that's going to be better health care for more people at a lesser cost.
Trump also lied to your faces about not cutting Medicare/Medicaid.

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Originally Posted by Donald Trump on 05/21/2015
I'm not going to cut Social Security like every other Republican and I'm not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid
Anyone who supports this ass clown deserves all the healthcare/insurance misery Trump and the GOP are about to deliver.
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The CBO projects that 14 million people will lose their healthcare coverage in 2018; and that this will balloon to 21 million just two years later.
Of course that'll happen. What did y'all expect when peeps were forced and threatened with fines to get ObamaCare in the first place.

All ObamaCare did was force the wealthy and middle class to pay insurance for the poor and skyrocket premiums for everyone.

We all know that now when we were allowed to read it after it was passed.
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[T]ruth is it will increase your premiums especially seniors.
According to the CBO report--whose veracity, admittedly, is open to question--healthcare premiums will begin to abate in 2020 (which is really not that far away).

Or do you prefer to just cherry-pick those items that dovetail nicely with your preconceived position, while ignoring those that do not?

(Oh, and most seniors are covered by Medicare--whose premiums are not projected to increase any more under the AHCA than under the ACA, to my knowledge.)
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