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You just made my argument for doing this the way other countries do. Like Australia. They took the insurance companies out of the equation and so should we. Health care is expensive enough without supporting an entire sepearte industry on top of it.



Some times common sense is all that is needed to get one program working right.

Yet my questions are really about our entire economy which is based on WALL
STREET and so called BIG BUSINESSES/ and of course the SHAREHOLDERS.

Remove the power of these BANKS and remove these other three have and you have what could possibly be a much better system
where every item doesn't go up 10% a year out pacing so many seniors and lower wage earners.

Banks just do a daily business as they do now without so much control over the economy. Done in a fair way.

Where it becomes a steady rise so everyone keeps up. And where these 1% er's with all most every dollar lose the grip and become simple wage earners like all others over time.

Yet still doing much better than the average joe/jane. I am not saying one can't earn more than the others. But to control so much of the economy isn't right either.
All should have a fair shot at living well with 3 meals a day and a bit of savings put away each year without worry's something might come and wipe the savings out.
And this isn't socialism that I am talking about.
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Some times common sense is all that is needed to get one program working right.

Yet my questions are really about our entire economy which is based on WALL
STREET and so called BIG BUSINESSES/ and of course the SHAREHOLDERS.

Remove the power of these BANKS and remove these other three have and you have what could possibly be a much better system
where every item doesn't go up 10% a year out pacing so many seniors and lower wage earners.

Banks just do a daily business as they do now without so much control over the economy. Done in a fair way.

Where it becomes a steady rise so everyone keeps up. And where these 1% er's with all most every dollar lose the grip and become simple wage earners like all others over time.

Yet still doing much better than the average joe/jane. I am not saying one can't earn more than the others. But to control so much of the economy isn't right either.
All should have a fair shot at living well with 3 meals a day and a bit of savings put away each year without worry's something might come and wipe the savings out.
And this isn't socialism that I am talking about.
I'm thinking the surplus of value of labor here with what you are saying.
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You just made my argument for doing this the way other countries do. Like Australia. They took the insurance companies out of the equation and so should we. Health care is expensive enough without supporting an entire sepearte industry on top of it.

And yet, with your blessing, that is exactly what Obama, Reid and Pelosi did. And you defended it back then, and everyday since. Glad to see you finally caught on to the ruse.

I have been claiming the insurance company windfall of Obamacare from the beginning. What we needed was the delivery of better healthcare. All the ACA did was make sure everyone had health insurance. No matter what it cost.

What it cost, in more than just dollars, was our freedom to chose.
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FrancSevin;874682]And yet, with your blessing, that is exactly what Obama, Reid and Pelosi did.
The ACA is nothing even close to the Australian scheme. The ACA was made intentionally to work within the private insurance model. Otherwise it wouldn't have even passed the democrat congress at the time. Believe me that Democrats are in the pockets of big pharma and private insurance industry as much as Republicans are.
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And you defended it back then, and everyday since. Glad to see you finally caught on to the ruse.
I defended it compared to the status quo and against the idiotic ideas of the right which include health care savings accounts. People don't have the money to save now so how the fuq would a health care savings account help? Answer, it won't. I have said (And you can go back and look) that I was not a fan of the ACA. I have repeated that to you dozens of times. In fact even Obama said that if the right put forward a better idea he would work with them to pass it. I would too. But until we finally admit that this model sucks we are stuck in stupid and shuffling around the deck chairs on the titanic.

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I have been claiming the insurance company windfall of Obamacare from the beginning. What we needed was the delivery of better healthcare. All the ACA did was make sure everyone had health insurance. No matter what it cost.

What it cost, in more than just dollars, was our freedom to chose.
The right has been exaggerating the negatives of the ACA since they were saying it would create death panels. Maybe if we could stop the BS hyperbola we could actually all get on the same page and do what in the end is the only right answer. GET RID OF THE PRIVATE INSURANCE MODEL.
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I agree. The model we have developed is what is killing wage increases. Companies are required to enrich their stock holders first leaving nothing for their own employees. It's the corporate big box mentality. It's why we have the same chains coast to coast. Ma and Pa enterprises are finding it harder and harder to compete and that really ends up with the consumer having limited options.
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Some times common sense is all that is needed to get one program working right.

Yet my questions are really about our entire economy which is based on WALL
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Remove the power of these BANKS and remove these other three have and you have what could possibly be a much better system
where every item doesn't go up 10% a year out pacing so many seniors and lower wage earners.

Banks just do a daily business as they do now without so much control over the economy. Done in a fair way.

Where it becomes a steady rise so everyone keeps up. And where these 1% er's with all most every dollar lose the grip and become simple wage earners like all others over time.

Yet still doing much better than the average joe/jane. I am not saying one can't earn more than the others. But to control so much of the economy isn't right either.
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And this isn't socialism that I am talking about.
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I'm thinking the surplus of value of labor here with what you are saying.
Big as life it is all said up front. A better question is, what don't you understand? I mean if Mikeyy got it why haven't you.
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Big as life it is all said up front. A better question is, what don't you understand? I mean if Mikeyy got it why haven't you.
I'm surpised you did not know what I was talking about.
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All these arguments about the economic system have nothing to do with Obamacare failing on it's own weight. Bottom line, Obama had to steal $ 800 billion from Medicare to keep his baby alive. Who got that money?

The insurance industry. Big Pharma. Politicians ( who have a separate, and hardly equal, Healthcare program of their own.) who have kept their positions of power by garnering votes with "gimmie" programs for the masses.

So let us stop blaming the GM's, General Electric's in the private sector and the small business community which employs most Americans and notice who benefited from the windfall of Obamacare and who lost.,
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Maybe we can stop bull****ting about Obamacare and repeating talking points and see what the right who has had going on 7 years to produce a plan has.
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All these arguments about the economic system have nothing to do with Obamacare failing on it's own weight. Bottom line, Obama had to steal $ 800 billion from Medicare to keep his baby alive. Who got that money?

The insurance industry. Big Pharma. Politicians ( who have a separate, and hardly equal, Healthcare program of their own.) who have kept their positions of power by garnering votes with "gimmie" programs for the masses.

So let us stop blaming the GM's, General Electric's in the private sector and the small business community which employs most Americans and notice who benefited from the windfall of Obamacare and who lost.,
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You just made my argument for doing this the way other countries do. Like Australia. They took the insurance companies out of the equation and so should we. Health care is expensive enough without supporting an entire sepearte industry on top of it.
*GASP* you realize how many jobs the insurance industry employs? Why do you hate these people so much that you want them unemployed?

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