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At least you said 'go back to lying to people...' you finally acknowledge that the PPACA was built on nothing but lies.

Oh, yes, repealing the PPACA will 'screw' people. While 'un-screwing' other people. Compare the ratios, after all, we want to help the greater portion, yes?

You are so stuck on a front-loaded payment mechanism, that you haven't figured out that someone has to pay for it.......
I like Australia's plan. Medicare for all. Other countries have good plans with better results than ours. Could you imagine the economy we could had be if Over a third of our dollars were not in the hands of insurers?
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Really people what the Republicans are slow rolling the defeat of Obama Care is for one main reason. The fact that the Democrats let the economy slide by and went for their #1 goal of redoing the Health Care Package.

And the GOP saw that this was a fools idea. As the economy is then as now the #1 item to be improved.

Trump is getting this done and it won't happen in a week or a month. Yet the President and the leadership of the GOP will in time make great strides with this.
And knowing that what failed the Democrats was their rush to get a new Health Care Package in motion when it required much thought, planning and plenty of more talking between all parties involved..

This is the key to success in creating any new program. And what the Democrats failed to do. So it had to fail in many areas, which it did! The new leadership won't let this be their downfall. No matter what we or others think.

Time is required along with the right minds with the experience to make it all come together in a proper order so it works right out of the box!

And most of the Democrats as well as some in the GOP don't think any changes or worst any new package will work. If any one has been paying attention of late they would know ex leader Boner () thinks it can't/won't be done.
And for once Trump is dead set that they can over time get it right. By taking the time to make sure.

I have my doubts as this requires each party involved to give here and their. High profits have to be set aside to make it work. And to cover so many different aspects of medical problems that some have or will get means how they once charged has to become more equal across the nation.
In the past charges for one item was totally different priced in every state and in the same cities with several hospitals. This has to be made into a better standard...
Greed has to be controlled. And greed is what heart Obama Care for the better part. So time is required people, give the GOP more time to get all involved to work together.

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Really people what the Republicans are slow rolling the defeat of Obama Care is for one main reason. The fact that the Democrats let the economy slide by and went for their #1 goal of redoing the Health Care Package.

And the GOP saw that this was a fools idea. As the economy is then as now the #1 item to be improved.

Trump is getting this done and it won't happen in a week or a month. Yet the President and the leadership of the GOP will in time make great strides with this.
And knowing that what failed the Democrats was their rush to get a new Health Care Package in motion when it required much thought, planning and plenty of more talking between all parties involved..

This is the key to success in creating any new program. And what the Democrats failed to do. So it had to fail in many areas, which it did! The new leadership won't let this be their downfall. No matter what we or others think.

Time is required along with the right minds with the experience to make it all come together in a proper order so it works right out of the box!

And most of the Democrats as well as some in the GOP don't think any changes or worst any new package will work. If any one has been paying attention of late they would know ex leader Boner () thinks it can't/won't be done.
And for once Trump is dead set that they can over time get it right. By taking the time to make sure.

I have my doubts as this requires each party involved to give here and their. High profits have to be set aside to make it work. And to cover so many different aspects of medical problems that some have or will get means how they once charged has to become more equal across the nation.
In the past charges for one item was totally different priced in every state and in the same cities with several hospitals. This has to be made into a better standard...
Greed has to be controlled. And greed is what heart Obama Care for the better part. So time is required people, give the GOP more time to get all involved to work together.

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I like that Trump actually named the big pharmaceutical companies as on of the big reasons for high costs. Hope he actually does something about it.
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Everyone I know that has it are happier than without it. Premiums have not doubled but they would have more than doubled at the rate they were rising before the ACA
Some people I know who have to pay the fines for not participating in Obamacare are not happy. They're not poor enough to get subsidies since they work, but they don't make enough to have insurance. Not paying into obamacare now takes the money they used to pay towards self medication and visiting cheap Mexican clinics. My son works in health care, sez obiecare worthless. Copays around $100 and coverage stinks unless you pay extremely high monthly premiums. Obamacare a failure for the moderate income working class, who was better off without it.
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I read this morning that Humana is pulling out of the exchanges. Several other insurers also plan on leaving the system
It will implode on it's own. But repeal is still necessary to get it's overbearing rules out of the Health Care System.

Congress seems content to slow walk the process. Chicken sh!t Republicans still worry they will offend somebody.

Ho hum.

"There’s no way to unwind this horrible, imploding law without making people unhappy.

Donald Trump may have realized that."

JUST DO IT!
President Donald will just have to.

And he may already have done so. The IRS mandate is now "optional?"

Repeal Obamacare? Donald Trump May Have Already Done It! ⋆ The Constitution
I don't believe this is accurate because the PPACA requires the federal government to ensure that there will be private insurance carriers for the exchanges. The last thing the GOP wants is for the private insurance providers to leave the exchanges right now because that will force a dramatic increase in the federal government's expenditures because of the regulations.

Unlike the tax provisions for "Obamacare" that can be addressed by budget reconciliation measures only requiring a majority vote in the Senate the regulations are subject to the Senate rule requiring at least 60 votes for cloture and the Republicans can't muster the 60 votes.

That's a problem with the White House executive order because it's driving the insurance providers out of the exchanges by reducing the number of "healthy" people that need to enroll. The White House can potentially drive a huge increase in federal expenditures as the insurance providers leave the exchanges. The GOP in Congress was trying to prevent this from happening.

The GOP Congress, in response, will probably be forced to create the "high cost pools" where the subsidies for the insurance providers will sky-rocket.

Always remember that the PPACA regulations, that the GOP cannot change without the support of the Democrats, promise the American people the insurance and the lawsuits will fly against the government if it fails to provide that which the law requires. The federal courts, including the US Supreme Court, will order the US government to pay because that's what the law states.
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Some people I know who have to pay the fines for not participating in Obamacare are not happy. They're not poor enough to get subsidies since they work, but they don't make enough to have insurance. Not paying into obamacare now takes the money they used to pay towards self medication and visiting cheap Mexican clinics. My son works in health care, sez obiecare worthless. Copays around $100 and coverage stinks unless you pay extremely high monthly premiums. Obamacare a failure for the moderate income working class, who was better off without it.
The problem is that the federal subsidies aren't high enough. Fix that and this problem goes away.

It can also be noted that the reason that the premiums went up an average of 20% this year is because the GOP controlled Congress and didn't fulfill the PPACA (Obamacare) promise to the insurance companies to offset the initial high costs of the insurance companies insuring very sick (and costly) people during the first three years. Instead of full re-imbursement the GOP only gave the insurance companies enough to cover 12% of their losses. That forced the insurance companies to jack up the rates by 20% while the actual cost of health care only increased by 5%.

In reality Republicans should listen to a person with extensive experience that knows what he's talking about.

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Boehner: Republicans won't repeal and replace Obamacare

'They’re basically going to fix the flaws and put a more conservative box around it,' Boehner said.

Former House Speaker John Boehner predicted on Thursday that a full repeal and replace of Obamacare is “not what’s going to happen” and that Republicans will instead just make some fixes to the health care law.

Boehner, who retired in 2015 amid unrest among conservatives, said at an Orlando healthcare conference that GOP lawmakers were too optimistic in their talk of quickly repealing and then replacing Obamacare.

“They’ll fix Obamacare, and I shouldn’t have called it repeal and replace because that’s not what’s going to happen. They’re basically going to fix the flaws and put a more conservative box around it,” Boehner said.

The former speaker’s frank comments capture the conundrum that many Republicans find themselves in as they try to deliver on pledges to axe Obamacare but struggle to coalesce around an alternative.

Republican lawmakers across the country this week are facing angry constituents at town halls worried that Obamacare will be yanked away without a suitable replacement.
Boehner: Republicans won't repeal and replace Obamacare - POLITICO
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People I know make $30K per year and get a $350 dollar a month subsidy for their premium. Thei premium is $130 per month. How much is the penalty?
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Some people I know who have to pay the fines for not participating in Obamacare are not happy. They're not poor enough to get subsidies since they work, but they don't make enough to have insurance. Not paying into obamacare now takes the money they used to pay towards self medication and visiting cheap Mexican clinics. My son works in health care, sez obiecare worthless. Copays around $100 and coverage stinks unless you pay extremely high monthly premiums. Obamacare a failure for the moderate income working class, who was better off without it.
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One big problem is how much the Govt. has to put up so everyone gets Insured..
What causes this is the greed by Insurance Brokers who want big money checks for themselves and .. So profits need to be big so the Shareholders get theirs.

Can anyone explain
to me why we need shareholders in the first place.

Question 1 of a 2 parts.

It looks like just another way to extract money from what makes the country run, the workers.

Question 2 below.

So do we really need a Wall Street?
..... And please don't say this is how our economic system works!

Since I am asking if we need it to continue this way.. can't it be modified?
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You just made my argument for doing this the way other countries do. Like Australia. They took the insurance companies out of the equation and so should we. Health care is expensive enough without supporting an entire sepearte industry on top of it.
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One big problem is how much the Govt. has to put up so everyone gets Insured..
What causes this is the greed by Insurance Brokers who want big money checks for themselves and .. So profits need to be big so the Shareholders get theirs.

Can anyone explain
to me why we need shareholders in the first place.

Question 1 of a 2 parts.

It looks like just another way to extract money from what makes the country run, the workers.

Question 2 below.

So do we really need a Wall Street?
..... And please don't say this is how our economic system works!

Since I am asking if we need it to continue this way.. can't it be modified?
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