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Old 10-21-2016, 11:26 AM
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Insurance premiums were going up 12% per year before Obamacare. Think about what your premiums were and what they would be now had Obamacare not passed. Doubled easily. Plus you would have less benefits.
and sense this fool of a everyone gets some health Care with Obama (loves you to much) Care plan made with doctors, lawyers, Ins., & Health Care Providers at the same table all in lock step to make lots more money.


To sell it the W.H. & the Presidents Team of shifty operators lied while smiling and they didn't know the details..

Yet knew how this game was played, I rub your back & you scratch my brass balls. And the public while paying for it gets the load...

What that all means is it was decide at that table now INS., Premiums would now go up 15% to 30% on average each year.

And even this plan left millions without Health Ins.

Instead of saying we blew it and admitting to make medicine socialized, restricts the advancement of medicine and places control in the hands of Administrators of Health Care Plans.

Both which are wrong...
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Before even starting to discuss Obamacare it should be pointed out that I believe we could do much better than Obamacare. I have my own opinions on what that would entail but what we haven's seen are any Republican proposals for a health insurance program that would provide health insurance to more Americans at less cost to the taxpayers.

Now to the topic.

Insurance rates are going up but that's due to numerous different reasons. What it's not due to is increased compensation for corporate executives at the insurance companies. Sorry but they just don't make enough money to have the impact on the insurance premiums that we're seeing.

While the insurance rates are going up the income of the insured is not. The subsidized households aren't going to be able to pay more in insurance costs so it's obvious that the federal government is going to need to increase the subsidies to cover all of the increased cost.

We must also realize that "based upon Republican proposals" this wouldn't even be a discussion because instead of rising insurance costs for the 20 million additionally people covered by Obamacare they wouldn't have any health insurance at all.

The most significant reason Obamacare isn't covering more than just 20 million additional Americans today is the refusal of "Republican" states to accept the expansion of Medicaid that was fully paid for by the federal government initially with only token state funding in the future.

I'm all for replacing Obamacare but first the replacement must be defined. Because it will require bi-partisan support to pass it's going to have to be far superior to Obamacare in the number of Americans covered and the cost to the government.

It's going to have to be the concurrent "Replace and Repeal" of Obamacare and not the Republican "Repeal so People Die" proposals.

I've been saying for years this is an issue where Republicans should stand up and actually propose something that would benefit the American people. If Republicans can't come up with something far superior to Obamacare in the number of people receiving health care insurance and at a lower cost then they really don't have anything positive to offer to the American people.

It's been six years, five of which Republicans have controlled the House where the legislation would need to originate, and not a single health care proposal to replace Obamacare with something better has passed.
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What that all means is it was decide at that table now INS., Premiums would now go up 15% to 30% on average each year.

And even this plan left millions without Health Ins.
So what's the Republican proposal to increase the number of insured from the currently covered 20 million under Obamacare and how will it lower the costs?
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If it was laid out according to "Ayn Radians" plans would not be locked to each state but would go nation wide so that the unhealthy states are balenced by the heather ones, you know the way insurance works when it does.
This has been suggested before by Republicans but there's an inherent problem with the proposal.

Currently the states have regulatory authority over health insurance plans that are issued within the state and the state regulations can and do conflict with those in other states.

To go "national" requires the federal government to over-ride state insurance regulations with nationalized health insurance regulation.... that the Republicans oppose.

Effectively if Republicans want to propose this option the first step they need to take is to create federal health insurance regulations that over-ride any existing state health insurance regulation. When they've done that then they can get back to us on health insurance being available across state lines. Until they do that they're just blowing smoke up the rectal cavities of the American people.
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No it was not. It was Democrats making deals with overly zealous idealogical Ayn Radians that pretty much began with Newt Gingrich...
You obviously don't have a clue about "Ayn Randians," who wouldn't support a program like Obamacare.
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So what's the Republican proposal to increase the number of insured from the currently covered 20 million under Obamacare and how will it lower the costs?
I do not believe they want to bother trying to fix this Obama Care mess in any fashion ShivaTD...

I guess you on the Left would hope so...
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I'm all for replacing Obamacare but first the replacement must be defined.
Getting the government out of it would be a marvelous start. Insurance is a business and the government knows nothing of such things.
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So what's the Republican proposal to increase the number of insured from the currently covered 20 million under Obamacare and how will it lower the costs?
See squerly reply below ShivaTD.. Which is the Republican answer to which you seek...

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So what's the Republican proposal to increase the number of insured from the currently covered 20 million under Obamacare and how will it lower the costs?
It's your goal, not the Republicans, and the Democrats own this failed plan. What's your proposal?
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Before even starting to discuss Obamacare it should be pointed out that I believe we could do much better than Obamacare. I have my own opinions on what that would entail but what we haven's seen are any Republican proposals for a health insurance program that would provide health insurance to more Americans at less cost to the taxpayers.

Now to the topic.

Insurance rates are going up but that's due to numerous different reasons. What it's not due to is increased compensation for corporate executives at the insurance companies. Sorry but they just don't make enough money to have the impact on the insurance premiums that we're seeing.

While the insurance rates are going up the income of the insured is not. The subsidized households aren't going to be able to pay more in insurance costs so it's obvious that the federal government is going to need to increase the subsidies to cover all of the increased cost.

We must also realize that "based upon Republican proposals" this wouldn't even be a discussion because instead of rising insurance costs for the 20 million additionally people covered by Obamacare they wouldn't have any health insurance at all.

The most significant reason Obamacare isn't covering more than just 20 million additional Americans today is the refusal of "Republican" states to accept the expansion of Medicaid that was fully paid for by the federal government initially with only token state funding in the future.

I'm all for replacing Obamacare but first the replacement must be defined. Because it will require bi-partisan support to pass it's going to have to be far superior to Obamacare in the number of Americans covered and the cost to the government.

It's going to have to be the concurrent "Replace and Repeal" of Obamacare and not the Republican "Repeal so People Die" proposals.

I've been saying for years this is an issue where Republicans should stand up and actually propose something that would benefit the American people. If Republicans can't come up with something far superior to Obamacare in the number of people receiving health care insurance and at a lower cost then they really don't have anything positive to offer to the American people.

It's been six years, five of which Republicans have controlled the House where the legislation would need to originate, and not a single health care proposal to replace Obamacare with something better has passed.
The problem with the ACA is that all it does is mandate insurance..... and insurance is not healthCARE.
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