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cnredd 07-25-2014 01:03 PM

ObamaCare architect explained in 2012 video why only state exchanges pay subsidies
 
A couple of days ago, I pointed out that the fact that federal exchanges would NOT get subsidies was far from a typo...It was a actual THREAT...:yes

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Originally Posted by cnredd
here's how it went down...

Baucus admits that the reason it was set up where states that don't set up exchanges themselves won't get subsidies was a DIRECT THREAT...

"Set it up your self or you won't get any subsidies!!!!!!"...

The Democrat logic was that all (or most at least) would scream "Holy crap!!!" and run to set up their own exchanges...

...and the Democrats couldn't have been more wrong...:no

Now you don't have to take my word from it...:no

You can listen to the EXACT WORDS of one of the actual architects of ObamaCare say it himself...:yes

ObamaCare architect explained in 2012 video why only state exchanges pay subsidies

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This week, Jonathan Gruber appeared on MSNBC to assert that the DC Circuit appellate court got the ObamaCare statute all wrong in its Halbig decision. Gruber, one of the key architects of the ACA and of the Massachusetts “RomneyCare” law that preceded it, insisted that the state exchange requirement for subsidy payment was purely accidental. “It is unambiguous this is a typo,” Gruber told Chris Matthews. “Literally every single person involved in the crafting of this law has said that it`s a typo, that they had no intention of excluding the federal states.”

Two years ago, though, Gruber gave a much different explanation for this part of the ObamaCare statute. Speaking at a January 2012 symposium for a tech organization that this was no typo. It was, Gruber said, a deliberate policy to twist the arms of reluctant states to set up their own exchanges — and that a failure to do so would mean no subsidies for their citizens.

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Originally Posted by Gruber
What’s important to remember politically about this is if you’re a state and you don’t set up an exchange, that means your citizens don’t get their tax credits—but your citizens still pay the taxes that support this bill. So you’re essentially saying [to] your citizens you’re going to pay all the taxes to help all the other states in the country. I hope that that’s a blatant enough political reality that states will get their act together and realize there are billions of dollars at stake here in setting up these exchanges. But, you know, once again the politics can get ugly around this.


cnredd 07-25-2014 02:21 PM

Re: ObamaCare architect explained in 2012 video why only state exchanges pay subsidie
 
Gruber is now attempting to say he misspoke, but that can't be true...

He said it MORE THAN ONCE...:yes


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A number of states have even turned down millions of dollars in federal government grants as a statement of some sort. They donít support health care reform. I guess Iím enough of a believe in democracy to think that when the voters in states see that by not setting up an Exchange, the politicians in their state are costing state residents hundreds of millions and billions of dollars that theyíll eventually throw the guys out. But I donít know that for sure. And that is really the ultimate threat, is: Will people understand that, gee, if your governor doesnít set up an Exchange, youíre losing hundreds of millions of dollars of tax credits to be delivered to your citizens? So thatís the other threat, is: Will states do what they need to do to set it up?
He even pointed out it was a "threat"...:yes

MrLiberty 07-25-2014 03:39 PM

Re: ObamaCare architect explained in 2012 video why only state exchanges pay subsidie
 
Instead of starting a new thread I am going to put this here.................

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New IRS Form Proves Obama Lied About Individual Mandate Tax
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On Thursday the IRS released a slew of draft 2014 tax forms. The new draft Form 1040 shows a new surtax line has been created for the payment of the individual mandate surtax – see line 61 of the 1040:
http://www.atr.org/sites/default/fil...40%20image.JPG

There is a video at the site of obama saying that the surcharge is not a tax. :rofl2

AZRWinger 07-25-2014 06:44 PM

Re: ObamaCare architect explained in 2012 video why only state exchanges pay subsidie
 
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Originally Posted by cnredd (Post 683382)
Gruber is now attempting to say he misspoke, but that can't be true...

He said it MORE THAN ONCE...:yes

Jonathan Gruber Once Again Says Subsidies Are Tied to State-Based Exchanges - YouTube

He even pointed out it was a "threat"...:yes

In pointing out the true motivation for Obamacare, manipulate or replace Republican governors, we see the motivation is the same as for Medicare, something for Democrats to run on. Forget helping people the true purpose is vote buying. ;)

cnredd 07-26-2014 12:10 PM

Re: ObamaCare architect explained in 2012 video why only state exchanges pay subsidie
 
Not a typo or drafting error...:no

Senate Hearing Tax Credits available State | Video | C-SPAN.org

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z...ps443b56c7.jpg

40yearfan 07-27-2014 02:09 AM

Re: ObamaCare architect explained in 2012 video why only state exchanges pay subsidie
 
So the next time it goes in front of judges and they say it was intended to be the feds as well as the states, it will be extremely obvious they are voting their political affiliation rather than actual law. If the SC agrees to hear this, it will be interesting seeing how Roberts will try to spin this one.

MrLiberty 07-27-2014 07:49 AM

Re: ObamaCare architect explained in 2012 video why only state exchanges pay subsidie
 
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Originally Posted by 40yearfan (Post 683609)
So the next time it goes in front of judges and they say it was intended to be the feds as well as the states, it will be extremely obvious they are voting their political affiliation rather than actual law. If the SC agrees to hear this, it will be interesting seeing how Roberts will try to spin this one.


Hey, he did the obamacare kabuki dance once, I'm sure he'll do it again just so he doesn't look like a hypocrite. :rolls


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