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Old 01-23-2014, 01:43 PM
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Anyone on BarryCare would be wise to read this and educate yourself. Some scary sh*t.

ObamaCare death debt? States can seize assets to recoup Medicaid costs | Fox News

Tom Gialanella, 56, was shocked to find out he qualified for Medicaid under ObamaCare. The Bothell, Wash., resident had been able to retire early years ago, owns his home outright in a pricey Seattle suburb and is living off his investments.

He wanted no part of the government's so-called free health care. "It's supposed to be a safety net program. It's not supposed to be for someone who has assets who can pay the bill," he said.

And after reading the fine print, Gialanella had another reason to flee Medicaid -- the potential death debt.

Though many may not realize it, states are allowed to recover the cost of health care after someone's death by seizing their assets. It applies to Medicaid recipients who are between the ages of 55 and 64. The law has been in place since 1993, when Congress realized states were going broke over rising Medicaid expenses.

But under ObamaCare, Medicaid eligibility has expanded dramatically along with the promise that the federal government will pick up the cost of the higher tab -- at least for the first few years, after which states will be on the hook for a portion of the increase.

Millions more are entering the system, perhaps without knowing that their assets could be at risk.

However, just like Gialanella, others are opting out.

A Washington state couple in their early 60's actually got married recently so their combined income would keep them out of Medicaid and allow them to purchase a plan on the health exchange. Filing as individuals, their incomes had been low enough that they qualified for Medicaid.

They married primarily because Sophia Prins owns a home and wants to will it to her children without any worry that the government will attach a lien for the cost of her medical care. Prins doesn't think it's fair to go after the assets of people who get government assistance through Medicaid, but not those getting taxpayer subsidies through the exchange plans.

The story prompted Washington's Democratic governor, Jay Inslee, to issue an emergency rule change. It says the state may only recover the cost of nursing home care provided to Medicaid recipients in that 55-64 age group. That's the minimum allowable under the 1993 law.

"We have this population that we want to make sure they have access to health care," said state Medicaid Director MaryAnne Lindeblad. "We want them to get in so they can get the kinds of services that keep them healthy."

Oregon followed suit. But the 23 other states that expanded Medicaid under ObamaCare have not changed their estate recovery policies. A lot of money is at stake.

In 2004, California collected $44.6 million through estate recovery. It's a number that is certain to rise dramatically. MediCal officials tell Fox News they expect 1 million-2 million additional enrollees by 2015.

Minnesota, a much smaller state than California, managed to collect $25 million in 2004. It, too, is keeping its estate recovery policy in place.

Critics see a money grab.

"I think that people are maybe in for a shock when they find out their heirs are going to be paying for their care, because they got into a system under false pretenses," said Dr. Jane Orient of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, a group opposed to the Affordable Care Act.

The estate recovery law is so under the radar right now that interest groups like the AARP are still studying how it will play out under ObamaCare for seniors.
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The article says the law has been place since 1993, has nothing to do with Obamacare. Interesting that now it suddenly becomes an issue.
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My friend gave birth to a baby with trisomy a couple of years ago. The baby died after a couple of months at home with her parents. Medical bills were covered by Medicaid and now the government is demanding that my friend pay back the cost of the medical care her dead baby received prior to her death. Talk about adding insult to injury.
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The article says the law has been place since 1993, has nothing to do with Obamacare. Interesting that now it suddenly becomes an issue.
It has everything to do with Obamacare when so many folks are being shoved onto it under the ACA guidelines. The government is scamming folks just like hustlers do to folks in many other schemes. They already tax your estate any way they can and that is not enough for them. Just another greedy tax and spend hustle that most folks don't even know about.
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The reason no one knew about this before is because most of those on medicaid in the past were poor and had nothing to give back to the state. Today with obamacare many more are eligible for medicaid and they have money, so now it becomes an issue. Any one who isn't blinded by partisanship can see this was one of the ways obama was going to pay for medicaid, by robbing the dead.
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The reason no one knew about this before is because most of those on medicaid in the past were poor and had nothing to give back to the state. Today with obamacare many more are eligible for medicaid and they have money, so now it becomes an issue. Any one who isn't blinded by partisanship can see this was one of the ways obama was going to pay for medicaid, by robbing the dead.
Obamacare is built on using the power of government to rob some for the benefit of others. Jacking up premiums and deductibles to pay for no preexisting condition underwriting is a core policy of Obamacare but it is sold as altruism. Medicaid is far and away the most popular option under Obamacare because it is seen as being free but their is no free lunch.
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My friend gave birth to a baby with trisomy a couple of years ago. The baby died after a couple of months at home with her parents. Medical bills were covered by Medicaid and now the government is demanding that my friend pay back the cost of the medical care her dead baby received prior to her death. Talk about adding insult to injury.
because either she didn't qualify for medicaid then or she is above the poverty line now.
its called responsibility
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The reason no one knew about this before is because most of those on medicaid in the past were poor and had nothing to give back to the state. Today with obamacare many more are eligible for medicaid and they have money, so now it becomes an issue. Any one who isn't blinded by partisanship can see this was one of the ways obama was going to pay for medicaid, by robbing the dead.
if you qualify for medicaid on obama care or off you have to be below a certain income level.
plus it is a myth that poor people dont own property.
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because either she didn't qualify for medicaid then or she is above the poverty line now.
its called responsibility
Incorrect. She doesn't qualify for medicaid, but her child does.
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Incorrect. She doesn't qualify for medicaid, but her child does.
good point. then she should pursue her rights under the law.
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