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Old 12-17-2013, 12:03 PM
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In the real world there will be around 5 million more people without health care insurance come January first thanks to Obamacare. In the real world the only way for the Obamacare death panels to achieve their primary objective of bending the cost curve down is to deny care. In the real world overriding Obamacare death panels requires a virtually unattainable Congressional super majority. In the real world Obamacare punishes your doctor for referring you to a specialist. In the real world the phoney cuts to doctor reimbursements, the basis for Obamacare's deficit reduction are replaced by doc fixes like the one now before Congress.

The question is why you repudiate the real world to blindly support Obamacare.
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Looks like Salty's losing faith in the product. Either that or she doesn't have an argument to make anymore.
IP, you're confusing me... When has salty EVER had argument to make?? Most of her posts are either crap she makes up on the spot, stories about people she knew 95 years ago or cheerleading for the Dems., Pres Obama and almost every liberal cause she can while calling herself a conservative. So you're going to have to explain to me when it was that she had an argument to make...
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You do absolutely not live in the "real world". You get these emails and news sites that are all propaganda then expect me to wade through each and every one of them and disprove the lies and half truths. It gets old. ObamaCare is not the witch. It's a law that your insurance company cannot sell you an empty bag and call it groceries. Also it insures that people who are actually sick cannot be turned down for health insurance. It does not decrease the amount of doctors in America. The AMA does that! Doctors dealt with medicare and hmo's and ppo's; they will deal with this and they are not going f-king broke! Get out of the house sometime and look around. Or failing that try making an appointment at several random doctors and see if they get you in today or next tuesday or next month. They will be doing ALL of that. Everywhere every day all the time in America. Heart doc takes awhile. a very popular fam pract will take maybe a couple days to a week if its flu season, etc. Same thing as before the Obama care website went up and it will be that way after january.
doctors are not going out of business; there will be plenty of them who take the insurances offered on the exchanges (because they are private insurances just like the ones they f_king take NOW!), and little 40 will be A.O.K.
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If it was just one or two articles and they were all coming from the same place, you might have a point. That is not the case however. The whole of media is flooded with them and they are coming from the left leaning MSM media more so than even Fox. A rational person would look at this mountain of evidence and realize that indeed something is wrong. Then they would check into it and regardless of how indoctrinated they are, there eyes would start to open up and the light of truth would hit their brain. I'm afraid this will never happen to you as the more proof and facts that come out against the Obama Administration, the more you dig in your heels and keep saying you are right and everyone else is wrong.

You'd better dig in because we haven't hit the worst of Obamacare yet. As the year wears on, things will continue to pop out including things the OA has been hiding which will really infuriate the people being lied to.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive."
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we haven't hit the worst of Obamacare yet. As the year wears on, things will continue to pop out including things the OA has been hiding which will really infuriate the people being lied to.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive."
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My old lady doc has the right idea. No medicare or insurance at all. $30 cash and you can still walk in without an appointment and get real compassionate care. Better than any of the others I see.
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My old lady doc has the right idea. No medicare or insurance at all. $30 cash and you can still walk in without an appointment and get real compassionate care. Better than any of the others I see.
You are extremely lucky she only charges $30. Hopefully after Obamacare has destroyed the insurance industry, we will all be lucky enough to find the same situation you enjoy.
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In the real world there will be around 5 million more people without health care insurance come January first thanks to Obamacare. In the real world the only way for the Obamacare death panels to achieve their primary objective of bending the cost curve down is to deny care. In the real world overriding Obamacare death panels requires a virtually unattainable Congressional super majority. In the real world Obamacare punishes your doctor for referring you to a specialist. In the real world the phoney cuts to doctor reimbursements, the basis for Obamacare's deficit reduction are replaced by doc fixes like the one now before Congress.

The question is why you repudiate the real world to blindly support Obamacare.
...and continuing...

in the real world come 2018 a $15,000 policy provided by an employer to a working middle class skilled laborer will become a $21,000 policy without any additional coverage. just additional cost solely due to the excise tax in the affordable care act. essentially, it's a punishment for providing a good health insurance policy. who is going to eat that 40% tax? the employer? fat chance. the insurance company? not likely. the unions? yeah right. the employees? sure, kick 'em the teeth while you're at it. the reality is that "cadillac" plans are likely to disappear giving those who currently have them substandard coverage by comparrison when they find themselves on healthcare.gov looking for something "affordable."
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If it was just one or two articles and they were all coming from the same place, you might have a point. That is not the case however. The whole of media is flooded with them and they are coming from the left leaning MSM media more so than even Fox. A rational person would look at this mountain of evidence and realize that indeed something is wrong. Then they would check into it and regardless of how indoctrinated they are, there eyes would start to open up and the light of truth would hit their brain. I'm afraid this will never happen to you as the more proof and facts that come out against the Obama Administration, the more you dig in your heels and keep saying you are right and everyone else is wrong.

You'd better dig in because we haven't hit the worst of Obamacare yet. As the year wears on, things will continue to pop out including things the OA has been hiding which will really infuriate the people being lied to.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive."
I read articles in Forbes and the New Yorker and articles in local papers from South Carolina to Boston and Idaho to Texas.
I don't watch MSNBC
I don't watch Fox
They are NOT news.

other than that yes I look around and do my own assessments. Now if I was stuck in the wilds of Idaho in the mountains I might think my neighbors had a narrow perspective, but I live in the heartland. People come through from all points and I have family and friends in Georgia, Oregon, Idaho, Texas, Florida (damn! we're beginning to sound like a picker family ) ...
I talk to some of them every day and am in touch every week or twice a month with the others. And it's not like I just have one in each of those states. Do you know how many different medical personnel and facilities are involved in the lives of 5 grandchildren and a father-n-law recent amputee and a woman under 30 in just one household?
How about I got a nephew in Jax who works for a small engineering firm that has employer based insurance, a daughter in law who's been at walmart in Oregon for 19 years...another relative in south Florida who lost his business and needs an eye operation and is signed up with ACA through a social worker...my husband has Medicare and VA. I have private insurance. I go online with social media and I dont see ANYBODY complaining about insurance or doctor problems they did not have previously. Except ONE lady I used to go to church with and found out she was lying that their insurance went up because I forgot they have a child on complete disability and her husband is in a union with several other of my friends and they hadn't heard of it. Even if she's telling the truth that's one out of how many people?
97 % of Americans will either NOT be affected AT ALL or will be ecstatically happy to HAVE insurance. 3% will have to change insurance and may have increased premiums mostly BECAUSE now they cannot have more than $6,000.000 out of pocket per year.
So if you wanna believe the bullsh*t you read in these viral reality show website "news" sources you go right ahead. As for me I am and always have been VERY damned grounded in reality.
In fact it's my MO. That and being a non conformist. And I thank God for both.
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I read articles in Forbes and the New Yorker and articles in local papers from South Carolina to Boston and Idaho to Texas.
I don't watch MSNBC
I don't watch Fox
They are NOT news.

other than that yes I look around and do my own assessments. Now if I was stuck in the wilds of Idaho in the mountains I might think my neighbors had a narrow perspective, but I live in the heartland. People come through from all points and I have family and friends in Georgia, Oregon, Idaho, Texas, Florida (damn! we're beginning to sound like a picker family ) ...
I talk to some of them every day and am in touch every week or twice a month with the others. And it's not like I just have one in each of those states. Do you know how many different medical personnel and facilities are involved in the lives of 5 grandchildren and a father-n-law recent amputee and a woman under 30 in just one household?
How about I got a nephew in Jax who works for a small engineering firm that has employer based insurance, a daughter in law who's been at walmart in Oregon for 19 years...another relative in south Florida who lost his business and needs an eye operation and is signed up with ACA through a social worker...my husband has Medicare and VA. I have private insurance. I go online with social media and I dont see ANYBODY complaining about insurance or doctor problems they did not have previously. Except ONE lady I used to go to church with and found out she was lying that their insurance went up because I forgot they have a child on complete disability and her husband is in a union with several other of my friends and they hadn't heard of it. Even if she's telling the truth that's one out of how many people?
[I]97 % of Americans will either NOT be affected AT ALL or will be ecstatically happy to HAVE insurance. 3% will have to change insurance and may have increased premiums mostly BECAUSE now they cannot have more than $6,000.000 out of pocket per year.[/I]
So if you wanna believe the bullsh*t you read in these viral reality show website "news" sources you go right ahead. As for me I am and always have been VERY damned grounded in reality.
In fact it's my MO. That and being a non conformist. And I thank God for both.
The red shows how little you know about Obamacare and what it's actual intent is. When the employer mandate kicks in after the 2014 elections, estimates go from 80 to 100 million people losing their policies and this is from the Obama Administration estimates during the writing and passing of Obamacare. If you followed real news instead of your far left web-sites, you'd know this.
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