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Old 10-14-2009, 01:20 AM
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A 17-year-old Eagle Scout in upstate New York has been barred from stepping foot on school grounds for 20 days — for keeping a 2-inch pocketknife locked in a survival kit in his car.

Matthew Whalen, a senior at Lansingburgh Senior High School, says he follows the Boy Scout motto and is always prepared, stocking his car with a sleeping bag, water, a ready-to-eat meal — and the knife, which was given to him by his grandfather, a police chief in a nearby town.

But Lansingburgh High has a zero-tolerance policy, and when school officials discovered that Whalen kept his knife locked in his car, he says, they suspended him for five days — and then tacked on an additional 15 after a hearing.

The incident is similar to the case of Zachary Christie, a 6-year-old Cub Scout in Delaware who faces up to 45 days in his district’s reform school for bringing a scout utensil that can be used as a fork, spoon and knife to school. But for Whalen — who has received an award from the Boy Scouts of America for saving a life and completed 10 weeks of basic military training last summer — the stakes are much higher:

He is concerned that the blot on his school record could kill his dream of attending West Point.
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Quite frankly, I hope somebody forwards this to a Congressman who makes it a point of submitting his application for West Point BECAUSE OF this publicity.

I can't imagine a military admissions review would actually look at these details and think this a valid problem against Whalen.
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I think we should fire morons like these school administrators once and for all!
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I've got questions about this case:

In order to search a vehicle, you have to have a search warrant. Did they have one?

If this school's zero tolerance policy extends to the contents of a student's vehicle, then every student who's car has a tire iron in the trunk should be thrown out as well. Are they checking for tire irons as well??
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I've got questions about this case:

In order to search a vehicle, you have to have a search warrant. Did they have one?

If this school's zero tolerance policy extends to the contents of a student's vehicle, then every student who's car has a tire iron in the trunk should be thrown out as well. Are they checking for tire irons as well??
I think if the car is in the school parking lot, they can search it.
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I think if the car is in the school parking lot, they can search it.
not without permission of the owner I believe, especially if it was locked.
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Any zero-tolerance policy is nothing more than the replacement of common sense. It is nothing more than another tool to dumb down our society.

Like our education system is awash in brilliances. It is these same administrators
and school boards that have not preformed their jobs well enough to keep teens in school and have better than a 50% of the student body wanting to do better, learn more and advance further.

And to make my point this is the second thread with decent youths belonging to the scouting movement which actually helps these same people advance and become better citizens.

Yes in some schools in large cities and bad neighborhoods they get some who need to be stopped. But even in these schools there are youths with no gang connections and there to advance.

As FS has pointed out with tire irons
I put forth the idea that a number two pencial or pen is a weapon and that the worst of these is a rolled up soft covered magazine is a far better weapon, which would cut on either end and be like a battering ram if used to punch.
So do we chain these items to the desks in schools to comply with the zero-tolerance policy?
Or demand that COMMON SENSE is applied in each case????????
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