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Based on your standard, no President has cared...

AND, there are hundreds of more examples to show that Border Patrol is a dangerous job and one could reasonably expect to be encountered with the potential of death.
Nice try...no cigar.

I didn't say murdered, I didn't say killed.

Agent Rosas was assassinated.

The cause of his death was horrendous enough that I would expect ANY President to take a few moments to speak to the public about it.

Obama didn't bother to take 10 seconds.
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Nice try...no cigar.

I didn't say murdered, I didn't say killed.

Agent Rosas was assassinated.

The cause of his death was horrendous enough that I would expect ANY President to take a few moments to speak to the public about it.

Obama didn't bother to take 10 seconds.
Nope... it's a murder.

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If it was an assassination then you'd figure that his department would call it such. Nope... it's a murder. To call it anything less shows your disrespect for the sacrifice made by other agents who were ambushed during the course of their job.
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If it was an assassination then you'd figure that his department would call it such.
LOL!!
I certainly WOULD NOT expect that and anyone who does is foolish.
Our government has a vested interest in keeping facts about the Border Patrol from the public...and in downplaying this incident.

Agent Rosas was ambused and shot 4 times in the head.
That's assassination.
The others were not ambused.

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Nope... it's a murder. To call it anything less shows your disrespect for the sacrifice made by other agents who were ambushed during the course of their job.
How interesting... you think assassination is a lesser crime than murder.
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LOL!!
I certainly WOULD NOT expect that and anyone who does is foolish.
Our government has a vested interest in keeping facts about the Border Patrol from the public...and in downplaying this incident.

Agent Rosas was ambused and shot 4 times in the head.
That's assassination.
The others were not ambused.


How interesting... you think assassination is a lesser crime than murder.
My phrasing on assassination wasn't exactly what I meant, but the end result is the same. You're pointing out Rosas and claiming that this agents sacrifice is somehow greater than the others. Shot 4 times, or shot once the result is the same. And yes, if you take the time to read all of the examples, they were ambushed. Not that you've spent much time in the New Mexico desert to see the landscape and how easy it would be to do.

But that's fine... you believe what you want. Subscribe to your THEORY without fact. Morally speaking losing one agent in the line of duty can never compare to the silence on AIDS and other such instances where the silence of the conservative party, or better yet the goading of the conservative party, has caused death.

It's sad. I agree, but where was your anger for agent Aguilar? Oh yeah, it was while Bush was in office so it's not relevant...
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You're pointing out Rosas and claiming that this agents sacrifice is somehow greater than the others.
I did no such thing.
Once again you are making things up. That's your usual M.O.

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And yes, if you take the time to read all of the examples, they were ambushed.
I see your problem... you don't understand the word ambush.

am·bush (m b sh) n.
1. The act of lying in wait to attack by surprise.
2. A sudden attack made from a concealed position.
3. a. Those hiding in order to attack by surprise.


The others were not ambushed.
Rosas was.
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Not that you've spent much time in the New Mexico desert to see the landscape and how easy it would be to do.
Actually, having been a long time property owner and resident in Arizona and New Mexico I probably know the desert better than you, better than most folks...but this didn't happen in New Mexico.. you're off by 2 states.
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Subscribe to your THEORY without fact.
The ME's report by itself is sufficient for all but the blind.
The station agents also know what actually happened, and they'll discuss it with you if you have their trust.
I do.
You don't.
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It's sad. I agree, but where was your anger for agent Aguilar? Oh yeah, it was while Bush was in office so it's not relevant...
You're "sad"?? How quaint.

You don't know squat about my anger, nor about the protests I've participated in supporting Border Patrol agents and against Ex-President Bush - so all you've done is opened your mouth and inserted your foot.
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I did no such thing.
Once again you are making things up. That's your usual M.O.


I see your problem... you don't understand the word ambush.

am·bush (m b sh) n.
1. The act of lying in wait to attack by surprise.
2. A sudden attack made from a concealed position.
3. a. Those hiding in order to attack by surprise.


The others were not ambushed.
Rosas was.

Actually, having been a long time property owner and resident in Arizona and New Mexico I probably know the desert better than you, better than most folks...but this didn't happen in New Mexico.. you're off by 2 states.

The ME's report by itself is sufficient for all but the blind.
The station agents also know what actually happened, and they'll discuss it with you if you have their trust.
I do.
You don't.

You're "sad"?? How quaint.

You don't know squat about my anger, nor about the protests I've participated in supporting Border Patrol agents and against Ex-President Bush - so all you've done is opened your mouth and inserted your foot.
Its not my fault that you have to play a semantics game to be able to get any traction with your arguement. Apparently YOU decide what is fact and what is made up instead of reading the resources provided. I'm sorry that you are so intellectually dishonest as to need to employ this tactic. And it's sad that your trumped up anger only came out when Obama didn't do something that you wanted him to do. Now you evoke this false outrage with Bush for not saying anything about the murder of Aguilar ONLY when your duplicity was pointed out. I've provided plenty of examples of tragic loss within the border patrol and yet you are still trying to make the death of one agent somehow more superior and you're doing that by suggesting that no other agent has been ambushed (despite OBVIOUS evidence to the contrary.)

Talk about lalaland...
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Its not my fault that you have to play a semantics game to be able to get any traction with your arguement.
I get it. The word ambush hasn't been introduced in your vocabularly lessons yet. It's above your level of comprehension.
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Apparently YOU decide what is fact and what is made up instead of reading the resources provided.
I was long ago familiar with the site you posted...before it ever even crossed your faulty radar.

DHS will also tell you the southern border is under control.
They're just as allergic to the truth as you are.
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I'm sorry that you are so intellectually dishonest as to need to employ this tactic.
Me? That's a laugh.
You're in the top 3 on this board for intellectual dishonesty, and you've just about lapped the pack.
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And it's sad that your trumped up anger only came out when Obama didn't do something that you wanted him to do. Now you evoke this false outrage with Bush for not saying anything about the murder of Aguilar ONLY when your duplicity was pointed out.
There you go again, fabricating things out of thin air... a tactic used by losers. You seem to hurl accusastions at others simply because you're fascinated by the smell of your own poop.
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I've provided plenty of examples of tragic loss within the border patrol and yet you are still trying to make the death of one agent somehow more superior and you're doing that by suggesting that no other agent has been ambushed (despite OBVIOUS evidence to the contrary.)
No BP Agent's death is "superior" to another... how thoroughally disgusting of you to promote that idea.

I'm aware that you don't understand the definition of the word "ambush", and that the following will prove a challenge to you:
When an agent dies because he lost control of his vehicle...that's not an ambush.
When an agent dies because he drowned while trying to save someone...that's not an ambush.
When an agent dies during an altercation...that's not an ambush.
When an agent dies because the ahole turns around and runs his vehicle over him...that's not an ambush.

Obama should have shown outrage over the incident.
Instead, he was silent.
Pathetic on his part.
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I get it. The word ambush hasn't been introduced in your vocabularly lessons yet. It's above your level of comprehension.

You obviously don't understand the word ambush. If you did you would have realized that I've already provided evidence of such. You can't nuance your way out of this one. The intransitive verb ambush means to lie in wait. This is exactly what happened to Agent Susan Lynn Rodriguez, an agent I've already used as an example. She approached a place where she thought a suspect was hiding. You know, where he was waiting. Not seeing him initially, the suspect used the cover of the corn field to fire shots, killing Agent Rodriguez. That my dear is an ambush!

I was long ago familiar with the site you posted...before it ever even crossed your faulty radar.

If you were so familiar with it, that might explain the ease with which you choose to distort it to conform to your personal world view.

DHS will also tell you the southern border is under control.
They're just as allergic to the truth as you are.

From their site it seems to be showing an ongoing struggle. Nothing about in control or out. Just the facts. No judgment on them. Sounds like you have very little respect for our agents in the Department of Homeland Security.

Me? That's a laugh.
You're in the top 3 on this board for intellectual dishonesty, and you've just about lapped the pack.

I'm not the one trying to make things into something they're not. That's what this is all about and is the foundation of your dishonesty.

There you go again, fabricating things out of thin air... a tactic used by losers. You seem to hurl accusastions at others simply because you're fascinated by the smell of your own poop.

No, I'm merely drawing inferences from the facts presented.

No BP Agent's death is "superior" to another... how thoroughally disgusting of you to promote that idea.

You are saying that one is superior to another by the manner in which you wish their death to be handled. You complain about the silence of Obama but ignore the silence of previous Presidents. That my dear is called selective outrage for political points.


I'm aware that you don't understand the definition of the word "ambush", and that the following will prove a challenge to you:
When an agent dies because he lost control of his vehicle...that's not an ambush.
When an agent dies because he drowned while trying to save someone...that's not an ambush.
When an agent dies during an altercation...that's not an ambush.
When an agent dies because the ahole turns around and runs his vehicle over him...that's not an ambush.

Obama should have shown outrage over the incident.
Instead, he was silent.
Pathetic on his part.
This has already been addressed previously in the post. What's pathetic is your duplicity.
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This is exactly what happened to Agent Susan Lynn Rodriguez, an agent I've already used as an example. She approached a place where she thought a suspect was hiding.
If you suspect someone might be there, it's not an ambush.

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Sounds like you have very little respect for our agents in the Department of Homeland Security.
Wrong again.
I respect the boots-on-the-ground, it's the DHS MANAGEMENT that SUCKS!!

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You are saying that one is superior to another by the manner in which you wish their death to be handled.
Wrong again.
No death is "superior'... (what a crass word you use)...but the manner in which Agent Rosas was killed (ambushed and assassinated by foreigners illegally on our soil) warrants acknowledgement by the POTUS.

If Obama had time to babble about his buddy, Skippy, he had time to say a few words about the Rosas situation.
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You complain about the silence of Obama but ignore the silence of previous Presidents. That my dear is called selective outrage for political points.
Wrong again. (You're on a real losing streak.)
I burned the phone lines to the White House when George Bush was POTUS, regarding BP agents Ramos and Campeon and illegal immigration.

I didn't join this forum until Bush's last month, or you would have witnessed plenty of anger from me during his term in office regarding the border, Homeland Security, and related issues.

...and I suspect you would have been throwing your poo at me then, too, so you might as well stop your faux indignation over my disgust with how the current POTUS responds (or doesn't ) to the same issues.
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