No doubt, there is a direct correlation between gun ownership and paranoia in many cases.

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How about the "right to life"?

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A recession is when your neighbor is out of work, a depression is when you are out of work - Harry Truman

To see what is right, and not do it, is want of courage, or of principle. - Confucius

There is a difference between guns DEFENDING A RIGHT ...
... and guns DEFENDING A PERSON.

Get it?
I am in no way objecting to guns defending people. I capitulate that comment.
But that is not the same thing as guns defending a RIGHT.


You're focusing on the wrong words.
In the first sentence, it's about guns defending a right
In the second clause, it's about guns defending a person, and that act of self-defense is a right.



Not what I said at all...

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Republicans have a sweet racket because they run on "government is ineffective," and then when they **** things up, they go, "See." – Bill Maher

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint.
When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist."
--Dom Hélder Pessoa Câmara

Exactly.
I have dismantled the original commentary of the article, but NOBODY is willing to admit that...

Much safer to hang onto their fear and attempt to change the subject...
I don't know if you watch Colbert, but this thread is giving me a whole new outlook on Colbert's gun "Sweetness" skits...


Do you really want to go down that road?
Cause if you want to claim such a thing as a "RIGHT" like that, I can happily show how a lack of healthcare insurance is damaging people's "right to life".
Oh wait. I've already done that.
But I guess when a person's "right" is impinged upon in that manner, it's not as much of an issue...

Perhaps if we gave terminal cancer patients guns, and insisted that those guns would be taken away by the government after they didn't get healthcare, THAT might push things along???


Nah. Too much to hope for...

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Republicans have a sweet racket because they run on "government is ineffective," and then when they **** things up, they go, "See." – Bill Maher

"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint.
When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a Communist."
--Dom Hélder Pessoa Câmara

So...a firearm cannot defend my right to protect myself? Presumably nor can a knife, a club, or fists.... How do I exercise my right to defend myself?

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I know I'm gonna get hell for this, but please keep in mind that I am completely lost when it comes to the 'right to bear arms'. From the OP:

"Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

-It is registered -You are fingerprinted -You supply a current Driver's License -You supply yourSocial Security # -You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing -Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail. -There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. -They would have the right to come in and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in p rison."

So, you would need to register your gun, identify yourself, be available for a mental evaluation (with cause - let's say, like you're waving it around in public); there is a licensing cost and under penalty of incarcertation you have to keep it out of the hands of any children.

It seems to me, in my ignorance, that this is a basic minimum of what we do when owning and driving a vehicle, just cheaper. I don't want to have to dig up the countless times children have shot themselves or others when playing with firearms. So what is so wrong with this legislation, without the paranoia of government "control" and politicians who won't stand behind legislation that goes against the grain? I am honestly curious.

You've done no such thing, unless you thought the original commentary related strictly to the right to protect ourselves against Government oppression...which it didn't....

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Some right wingers think these steps are the first step to confiscation, and I don't doubt that there are those in Congress that would love nothing more than to make that happen - they're a small fringe group, though, and I don't worry about them, especially since the Supreme Court Heller decision.

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My gut reaction is, we do most of it anyway, WITHOUT goverment involvement. My big thing is, I don't want some goverment flunky making a psych evaluation on me, and deciding I can't own a gun. I also don't feel it's necessary for the goverment to even KNOW if I do or do not own a gun. If I am not going to carry it in public, and my intent would be to protect my home and my family, then as far as I'm concerned, it's on a need to know basis, AND THEY DON'T NEED TO KNOW.

The law they are trying to put in place, if some one were going to violate the law, they're going to do it even if they don't provide all that information.

As to kids shooting themselves, my Dad did the basic thing.... showed us what it was, how it worked, taught us how to use it, so all the mystery was taken away. I don't recall even once one of us taking it out of the closet for other than target practice under his supervision.

If you REALLY need to use a gun, you aren't going to worry if you have a permit or not.

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Yeah, it is relatively easy to measure a gun owner's paranoia-factor by how many guns and ammunition he/she owns.

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Indeed, how do conservatives justify borrowing hundreds of billions yearly from Europe, Japan, and the Gulf states – to defend Europe, Japan, and the Arab Gulf states? Is it not absurd to borrow hundreds of billion annually from China – to defend Asia from China? Is it not a symptom of senility to borrow from all over the world in order to defend that world? ~ Patrick Buchanan