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Old 12-01-2007, 07:26 AM
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There are a lot better treatments (grant you it depends on the state if their available) out there now than ever before.
I am glad some of these people don't live out their lives doing the "Thorazine shuffle".
But there needs to be a better handling of mentally ill people. We have swept them under the rug for so many years, I don't know how long it will take society to accept they have an illness like diabetes or MS or any other debilitating condition.
The thing is (and I just heard something on the radio in reference to this case), they usually don't "qualify" for any help unless and until they get into the criminal justice system.
Same thing with a lot of deficiencies in personality like lack of mothering skills. Depends on the area a person lives in if they have to get thrown in jail for child abuse/neglect before the state will allow them funding for parenting classes.
It's kind of crappy cause we have all these good programs and knowledge, but nobody gets paid if the guy walks in off the street and says, "Hey, I think I'm off my nut. I need a doctor."
They'll either think he's a drug addict trying to get meds or they'll just tell him, "Sorry, we don't have anything for you."
They should be honest and just tell the guy, "We have scads of programs and wonderful medication and therapy and even a place for you to stay during treatment, but thing is, Mr. So-and-so, you'll have to get your ass thrown in jail first!"
I'm not gonna say there aren't problems with the mental health care system...far from it...

But everybody's also heard stories about people just not taking their medication...

Some don't because they believe the side effects are worse than the help they get with them...and then we end up with incidents...

BTW - Thorizine Shuffle...GREAT song...
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They should be honest and just tell the guy, "We have scads of programs and wonderful medication and therapy and even a place for you to stay during treatment, but thing is, Mr. So-and-so, you'll have to get your ass thrown in jail first!"
I recently had occasion to discuss just such a situation with our "Regional Mental Health Authority".

They suggested that if two family members would sign papers that the person was a danger to himself or others then he could be involuntarily committed at the state's expense. If, however, he voluntarily committed himself, he would have to have proof of ability to pay.

It just doesn't make sense to me that mentally ill people are being allowed to continue getting sicker and sicker until they really are a danger when early intervention could possibly allow them to become or remain contributing members of society.
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