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Presumably, just about everyone (well, everyone not living in a cave, anyway) is aware, by now, of the leaked information as regarding the High Court's justices' positions as concerning Roe v. Wade, in an internal conversation in mid-February.

It appears that five are for overturning the decision, whereas three are not (with Chief Justice Roberts still undecided).

Of course, things could change between mid-February and late June (when a decision will probably come down).

The simplistic way to view the matter is that even if Roberts should side with the pro-Roe side, the vote would still be 5-4 in favor of overturning this half-century-old precedent.

But John Roberts can be rather persuasive.

One wonders if he might just convince someone on the other side to change his (or her) mind, thereby making the vote 5-4 the other way...
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I would find it hard after ObamaCare...Roberts has shown his hand, before, if that's the plan...
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I would find it hard after ObamaCare...Roberts has shown his hand, before, if that's the plan...
Roberts proved in "Obamacare" he was at heart, an activist judge.
however, the current court is more balanced to conservatives right now. Which is most probably why this entire episode ever came up.

Alito and Thomas are also "persuasive."

we shall see.
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Presumably, just about everyone (well, everyone not living in a cave, anyway) is aware, by now, of the leaked information as regarding the High Court's justices' positions as concerning Roe v. Wade, in an internal conversation in mid-February.

It appears that five are for overturning the decision, whereas three are not (with Chief Justice Roberts still undecided).

Of course, things could change between mid-February and late June (when a decision will probably come down).

The simplistic way to view the matter is that even if Roberts should side with the pro-Roe side, the vote would still be 5-4 in favor of overturning this half-century-old precedent.

But John Roberts can be rather persuasive.

One wonders if he might just convince someone on the other side to change his (or her) mind, thereby making the vote 5-4 the other way...
Hmm... Roberts is persuasive to himself flipping his vote to rewrite Obamacare. But, are there other cases where he has flipped other justices?

Early in his time on the court Thomas rewrote on of Scalia's draft opinions changing Scalia's mind and vote. I haven't heard of Roberts doing anything like that.
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Hmm... Roberts is persuasive to himself flipping his vote to rewrite Obamacare. But, are there other cases where he has flipped other justices?

Early in his time on the court Thomas rewrote on of Scalia's draft opinions changing Scalia's mind and vote. I haven't heard of Roberts doing anything like that.
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Presumably, just about everyone (well, everyone not living in a cave, anyway) is aware, by now, of the leaked information as regarding the High Court's justices' positions as concerning Roe v. Wade, in an internal conversation in mid-February.

It appears that five are for overturning the decision, whereas three are not (with Chief Justice Roberts still undecided).

Of course, things could change between mid-February and late June (when a decision will probably come down).

The simplistic way to view the matter is that even if Roberts should side with the pro-Roe side, the vote would still be 5-4 in favor of overturning this half-century-old precedent.

But John Roberts can be rather persuasive.

One wonders if he might just convince someone on the other side to change his (or her) mind, thereby making the vote 5-4 the other way...
Anything's possible. I really wish they wouldn't toy with peoples' emotions (I think the court leaked it to get an idea of the reaction), and allow states and hospitals to plan for the future.
My greatest wish is for them to just give doctors trained in obstetrics and women's health authority to make medical decisions. But that is probably not what will happen.
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