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I wish the other party [i.e. the GOP] was unified in reaching agreements good for the country instead of just throwing up chaos.
Translation: You wish the Republican Party were the Democratic Party Lite. (Democrats need not move toward the center, at all; but Republicans should move toward the center...)
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Our nation was founded with the idea that any legislated process would be in the favor of the will of the majority, yes. But that is a weakness that had historically meant certain failure of every Democracy prior to the USA.

Madison's construction needed something to protect the minority strength in any legislative effort. Yes, that could mean chaos. But it also insure no one group in the majority could overpower or remove rights from the minority.

Hence the Filibuster rule.

I would bet, had Madison been able to put it in such a rule would be in the Constitution for both houses. However, the Congress needs to act quickly, whereas the Senate should ponder over some time. Therefore, this is a perfect solution to temper the workings of our Congress.

It has served us well for over two hundred years. Why is it no longer considered useful by the Democrats?

Because it stands in the way of tyranny.
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That "Chaos" is what the Founders intended. The citizenry needs to know what it can, and cannot, do in their "pursuit of happiness."

It should be difficult for the Congress to make changes in laws. It should also be virtually impossible for Congress to amend or change the constitution. Maintaining stable rules, and applying them with consistency, improves the general welfare of the nation. At the same time, it allows the citizens to act and pursue their lives, with confidence and freedom.
yet republicans don't adhere to any of that flatulence.
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Translation: You wish the Republican Party were the Democratic Party Lite. (Democrats need not move toward the center, at all; but Republicans should move toward the center...)
you and we have to move to the center at times to pass legislation.
how is it you don't know this?
obama tried to do that and got kicked in the teeth for it.
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you and we have to move to the center at times to pass legislation.
how is it you don't know this?
obama tried to do that and got kicked in the teeth for it.
When party#1 demands far extreme X4 on a subject, and the party #2 says no,
so party #1 moves to far extremeX3, and party #2 says no, saying someone has been 'kicked in the teeth' is really absurd.

Center for the progressives is x2 to the left, and wonder why those on the Conservative side say no.....
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yet republicans don't adhere to any of that flatulence.
The queen of Hyperbole calling the truth "Flatulence." No surprise there.

Until it got in his way, one of the staunches defenders of the Filibuster was,,,,
Senator Chuck Schumer.

https://nypost.com/2022/01/09/what-s...he-other-foot/

“Bottom line is very simple: The ideologues in the Senate want to turn what the Founding Fathers called ‘the cooling saucer of democracy’ into the rubber stamp of dictatorship. We will not let them. They want, because they can’t get their way on every judge, to change the rules in mid-stream, to wash away 200 years of history. They want to make this country into a banana republic, where if you don’t get your way, you change the rules. Are we going to let them? It’ll be a doomsday for democracy if we do.”

That was what Sen. Chuck Schumer said in 2005, as he successfully argued that Republicans should not change the Senate’s filibuster rules to get their way. Now that Democrats have the Senate majority, with him as their leader, he’s arguing strenuously for sidelining the filibuster to “wash away 200 years of history.”


It's called Hypocrisy. For your information, that is flatulence.
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you and we have to move to the center at times to pass legislation.
how is it you don't know this?
obama tried to do that and got kicked in the teeth for it.
Wanting Republicans to agree with Democrat in passing far left loon nonsense is not moving to the center. Its just wanting republicans to disregard their values so that democrats can get their wish list passed.
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you and we have to move to the center at times to pass legislation.
how is it you don't know this?
obama tried to do that and got kicked in the teeth for it.
Obama didn't have the skills to expand the Federal government takeover of healthcare AKA Obamacare so he turned it over to Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi to do the dirty work of subverting the process. After maneuvers like overwriting a veterans benefits bill with Obamacare text to avoid having to have an appropriations bill pass the House before the Senate takes it up as the Constitution requires Reid constructed the bill in secret then passed it on a straight party line vote as a reconciliation measure. Nancy Pelosi muscled through the Senate bill on a party line vote followed by a separate bill with amendments to avoid the Senate having to vote on the revised bill. Something got kicked in the teeth alright, our Republic.
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When party#1 demands far extreme X4 on a subject, and the party #2 says no,
so party #1 moves to far extremeX3, and party #2 says no, saying someone has been 'kicked in the teeth' is really absurd.

Center for the progressives is x2 to the left, and wonder why those on the Conservative side say no.....
Nothing passed or was proposed that could be called radical. but on the care act not a republican put forth an amendment in fact they wouldn't vote to bring it for debate when it got to the senate. then they lied through their lie disseminator fox and said democrats passed it in secret without consulting them. that happened after I watched democrats beg them to debate and amend.
in fact the amendment that dems did to please republicans was a dem proposed no single payer, which a majority of people actually wanted. then republicans didn't vote for it anyway.
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Nothing passed or was proposed that could be called radical. but on the care act not a republican put forth an amendment in fact they wouldn't vote to bring it for debate when it got to the senate. then they lied through their lie disseminator fox and said democrats passed it in secret without consulting them. that happened after I watched democrats beg them to debate and amend.
in fact the amendment that dems did to please republicans was a dem proposed no single payer, which a majority of people actually wanted. then republicans didn't vote for it anyway.
Not when your baseline is radical in nature. However to the rest of the country, the taking over of the healthcare system by the Federal Government is extremely radical.

As for the rest of your nonsense, you are not worth my time.
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