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I just knew when I saw this thread that someone would try to use his death for some stupid anti-vax argument. No one has claimed that the vaccinated cannot die from COVID. Such deaths are rare and far fewer than deaths of those who are not vaccinated, however. And Powell also had a form of blood cancer that inhibited his immune system. There are many things Powell did that I disagreed with, but he was an American patriot and deserves better.
Well, your bleating sucks, because people are basically not anti-vaccine. People are against government dickheads telling them to "get vaccinated or else". Biden fits the dickhead bill perfectly.

Now back to Powell's demise.
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Powell was a great American......

Sad that he passed with complications.....
Well, I agree with half of what you have said.

It is certainly true that his death is a sad thing. I fully agree with that observation.

But to describe him as "a great American" may be going just a bit too far. Basically, he was a RINO: probably closer, in reality, to the Democrats. (The comparison to Mitt Romney leaps to mind.)
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I just knew when I saw this thread that someone would try to use his death for some stupid anti-vax argument. No one has claimed that the vaccinated cannot die from COVID. Such deaths are rare and far fewer than deaths of those who are not vaccinated, however. And Powell also had a form of blood cancer that inhibited his immune system. There are many things Powell did that I disagreed with, but he was an American patriot and deserves better.
The OP attributes Powell's death to complications from Covid-19, not a blood disease. But any suggestion the vaccine is less than perfect sends you into a tantrum.

There are all kinds of health risks from choices but the vaccine that doesn't work nearly as well as other vaccines has to be above criticism and people have to be coerced into taking it. It's stupid to force people to submit to a medical procedure they don't want and may not need.
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Well, I agree with half of what you have said.

It is certainly true that his death is a sad thing. I fully agree with that observation.

But to describe him as "a great American" may be going just a bit too far. Basically, he was a RINO: probably closer, in reality, to the Democrats. (The comparison to Mitt Romney leaps to mind.)
So, your only argument against the claim that he was a great American is the fact that he sometimes sided with Democrats? Are you categorically arguing that that Democrats or Republicans who sometimes side with Democrats cannot be considered great Americans? Really?
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Well, I agree with half of what you have said.

It is certainly true that his death is a sad thing. I fully agree with that observation.

But to describe him as "a great American" may be going just a bit too far. Basically, he was a RINO: probably closer, in reality, to the Democrats. (The comparison to Mitt Romney leaps to mind.)
I disagree...

Powell was a great American...

He wasn't a RINO until he gave in to social justice advocates after his official time in the military and government office...I felt sad for him because he decided to make a political jump to the side that was calling him a house negro and Uncle Tom for years...After political and federal service, he decided that the color of his skin was more important than the content of his character...

...so his legacy was a little diminished, but, I don't believe, that it was to a point where he still wasn't a great American...

He's in a different category than someone like John Murtha, who served his country admirably, but then went into Congress and became an anti-American advocate, even going so far as to falsely attack service members, saying they killed "in cold blood"...He ripped his "great American" card up...
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I disagree...

Powell was a great American...

He wasn't a RINO until he gave in to social justice advocates after his official time in the military and government office...I felt sad for him because he decided to make a political jump to the side that was calling him a house negro and Uncle Tom for years...After political and federal service, he decided that the color of his skin was more important than the content of his character...

...so his legacy was a little diminished, but, I don't believe, that it was to a point where he still wasn't a great American...

He's in a different category than someone like John Murtha, who served his country admirably, but then went into Congress and became an anti-American advocate, even going so far as to falsely attack service members, saying they killed "in cold blood"...He ripped his "great American" card up...
Having a different political view has nothing todo with being a great American. As i is simply too fungible, it should never be a qualification.

To go a step further, one doesn't need to be a war hearo to be a great American. To my view, anyone who honestly pursues, with integrity and grit, the American dream as conceived by the founders, is a true and great American.

Even if they are not well known for their success.

Colin Powell was an example of a great American who prospered in an inclusive society that attempts, although often unsuccessfully, to give every American an opportunity. He did well. And his example is what made him a great American.
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The OP attributes Powell's death to complications from Covid-19, not a blood disease. But any suggestion the vaccine is less than perfect sends you into a tantrum.

There are all kinds of health risks from choices but the vaccine that doesn't work nearly as well as other vaccines has to be above criticism and people have to be coerced into taking it. It's stupid to force people to submit to a medical procedure they don't want and may not need.
I’m simply noting that any attempt to draw conclusions about the efficacy of the COVID vaccines based on one person with a seriously compromised immune system is pointless.
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It was an attempt to call into question the efficacy of COVID vaccines.
Obviously the jab, which is not a vaccine so I won't call it such, is ineffective since so-called vaccinated people can still catch and spread Covid.
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Powell was a great American...he wasn't a RINO until he gave in to social justice advocates after his official time in the military and government office...
I would just note that he publicly endorsed the Democratic presidential candidates in 2008, 2012, and 2016 (Barack Obama; Barack Obama, again; and Hillary Clinton); so he was probably to the left of even most RINOs.

Nonetheless, I--like most Americans--mourn his passing.
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I would just note that he publicly endorsed the Democratic presidential candidates in 2008, 2012, and 2016 (Barack Obama; Barack Obama, again; and Hillary Clinton); so he was probably to the left of even most RINOs.

Nonetheless, I--like most Americans--mourn his passing.
He went way to the left of the RINOs...You had two of the biggest RINOs running with McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012, and he couldn't even vote for them...
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