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Old 03-19-2021, 01:27 PM
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my point here is congress didn't seem to want to protect any friendly countries

Yes it is Russia's aim, actually Putin's aim to absorb as much of the old ussr as possible. Trump certainly didn't fight against Russia for the Ukraine, on the contrary everything possible was done to hurt the Ukraine during the last administration and undo any good done there but predecessors.
So by sending the Ukraine actual weapons to defend themselves instead of blankets and pillows sent by the previous administration, that was somehow hurting Ukraine? As usual, you are making no sense.
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Yes it is Russia's aim, actually Putin's aim to absorb as much of the old ussr as possible.
Yes, I think his goal is to re-establish the former Soviet Union.

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Trump certainly didn't fight against Russia for the Ukraine, on the contrary everything possible was done to hurt the Ukraine during the last administration and undo any good done there but predecessors.
Exactly what "good done" [in Ukraine] by Donald Trump's predecessors was undone (supposedly) by the man?

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when it comes to Putin who we must not fight physically, diplomacy diplomacy diplomacy is key.
I agree that we should not wish to go to war with Russia.

But I am not sure that "diplomacy diplomacy diplomacy" will work, either. (After all, diplomacy works only when there is a quid pro quo involved; and just what could we offer Russia, anyway--other than, perhaps, the termination of some sanctions; which, in my opinion, simply should not be revoked.)
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Russian Influenced the elections?
really?

Russian ADS.
Sooo which one of these ads... I guess including the ones AFTER the election... "swayed the election" for Trump?
officials say the 0 to 10 people saw some the ads.
https://www.cbsnews.com/media/russia...ook-a-gallery/

BTW how much money did Bloomberg spend on elections ads these past few elections, EXXON, ADM, Lockheed-martin, Monsanto


"Russia" Hacked the DNC and to Wikileaks
The former Tech Director of NSA Bill Biney says that based the records of the transfer rates of the data "hack", download speeds and file formats that it was not a Hack but a DOWNLOAD. at the source. Even Muller reports admits that they can't "rule out the possibility".
Wikileaks founder Assange has stated clearly and repeatedly that their source it WAS NOT a "STATE" or State surrogate.
As far as Russian' trying to hack/LOOK at DNC and RNC computers, even the former head of the CIA and NSA said that that goes on ALL the time. that's what country's do, they call it spying. ALL countries do it to each other, EVEN Allies. Russia doesn't even do it as well as the US or Israel.

Putin wanted Trump to Win
Yes, aaannnd?
Didn't everyone of the worlds leaders want Trump or Hillary to win? e v e r y o n e of them.
Does that mean that any or ALL rigged/fixed/influenced the elections?
How many world leaders wanted Biden to win this election?
Maybe they all ran a $100 worth of goofy facebooks ads to SWAY the election! THAT's Really why Biden won!
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So by sending the Ukraine actual weapons to defend themselves instead of blankets and pillows sent by the previous administration, that was somehow hurting Ukraine? As usual, you are making no sense.
by sending Giuliani's old azz over there to undermine our ambassador and make up stories to try to pressure the leader of the Ukraine to help orange boy win an election .
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Yes, I think his goal is to re-establish the former Soviet Union.



Exactly what "good done" [in Ukraine] by Donald Trump's predecessors was undone (supposedly) by the man?



I agree that we should not wish to go to war with Russia.

But I am not sure that "diplomacy diplomacy diplomacy" will work, either. (After all, diplomacy works only when there is a quid pro quo involved; and just what could we offer Russia, anyway--other than, perhaps, the termination of some sanctions; which, in my opinion, simply should not be revoked.)
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by sending Giuliani's old azz over there to undermine our ambassador and make up stories to try to pressure the leader of the Ukraine to help orange boy win an election .
I know I am asking you something that is above your ability, but instead of using a lot of idiotic language that speaks only to your assumption that Trump did something, perhaps you could supply some sort of evidence of your claims?

However, this thread is about Russia trying to help Trump, not the Ukraine. So what does this have to do with the topic?
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I guess the American Feds foreign election interference, at least 81 times, is somehow ok with Democrats. Tit for tat Slick.
This sort of response to the fact that Russia interfered with our elections is ridiculous. It's evidence that you care far more about Trump than about the country. The US has also invaded and bombed other countries. Would you just dismiss an invasion or bombing of the US by saying "tit for tat"?
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Absolutely.....

There is no way Trump would have started a war against Russia....

Just like Obama....
But Russia was not sure about Trump. They really didn't know what he would do. They knew for a fact Obama would let them do what they wanted.
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This sort of response to the fact that Russia interfered with our elections is ridiculous. It's evidence that you care far more about Trump than about the country. The US has also invaded and bombed other countries. Would you just dismiss an invasion or bombing of the US by saying "tit for tat"?
I think her point was that EVERYONE "Interferes" with elections. Since elections started there has been interference from individuals, cities, counties, states, and countries. People interfered with every single presidential election in history. It's OK if your guy wins, not ok if the other guys wins.
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I think her point was that EVERYONE "Interferes" with elections. Since elections started there has been interference from individuals, cities, counties, states, and countries. People interfered with every single presidential election in history. It's OK if your guy wins, not ok if the other guys wins.
The bottom line is that if you try to dismiss a criminal conspiracy organized and implemented by a hostile foreign government to interfere with a US election, you're a god damn traitor who considers it more important to defend your candidate than the country.
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