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President Trump vetoed the annual defense spending bill Wednesday, the lame duck’s latest parting shot at Congress, before he was scheduled to leave Washington for Mar-a-Lago, his private Florida country club.

While Trump has long promised to veto the National Defense Authorization Act, Congress passed the $740 billion bill earlier this month by a veto-proof margin, the House of Representatives by a vote of 335-87 and the Senate by 84-13. The House is expected to vote to override Trump’s veto on Monday, while the Senate is slated to vote the following day.
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Hours after he announced he would veto the defense bill, Trump issued his latest in a slew of 26 pardons, most notably to Charles Kushner, the father of his son-in-law Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort, his former campaign chairman, and longtime friend Roger Stone. While Kushner had pleaded guilty 2004 to 16 counts of tax evasion, Manafort and Stone were charged in connection with special prosecutor Robert Muller’s investigation into the Trump campaign’s ties to the Russian government in the 2016 election. While Trump had already commuted Stone’s 40-month prison sentence, Manafort will now be spared 7 years behind bars for fraud in his financial dealings in the former Soviet Union.

The latest round of pardons come one day after Trump, who is now in the final month of his presidency, issued 15 pardons and five commutations. Among those to receive pardons on Tuesday were four military contractors who worked for the security company Blackwater and were convicted in the 2007 massacre of 17 Iraqi civilians. Trump also intervened on behalf of his political allies Rep. Chris Collins, R-N.Y., who had pleaded guilty to charges of insider trading, and Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., who pleaded guilty to stealing campaign funds.
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I think he is doing what every other president has done at the end of their time in office. Much to do about nothing. Just another Salty thread to attack a president that she doesn't like.
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Manafort, Flynn, Stone, Papadopoulos, etc. were all victims of the Mueller witchhunt President Trump is right to pardon them for convictions resulting from perversion of the criminal justice system.

As for the defense spending bill veto, President Trump is trying to use it as leverage to reign in the toxic rule of social media plutocrats. Biden's upcoming autocracy is not going to do anything to displease their pay master censors essential to maintaining the myth the elderly, brain damaged leader is in charge.
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If I were President there'd be thousands of people pardoned and Book and film produced on WHY each were.

But i have to say, many of the people Trump has pardoned look like simple crooks and murders.
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If I were President there'd be thousands of people pardoned and Book and film produced on WHY each were.

But i have to say, many of the people Trump has pardoned look like simple crooks and murders.
how many of those presidents pardon 25 or more people involved with their own accused crimes?
half these pardons are people who kept their moth shut about don's involvement. the rest are sickening pardons of like minded retches who robbed the public trust or killed innocent civilians. no you cannot what aboutism this.
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Manafort, Flynn, Stone, Papadopoulos, etc. were all victims of the Mueller witchhunt President Trump is right to pardon them for convictions resulting from perversion of the criminal justice system.

As for the defense spending bill veto, President Trump is trying to use it as leverage to reign in the toxic rule of social media plutocrats. Biden's upcoming autocracy is not going to do anything to displease their pay master censors essential to maintaining the myth the elderly, brain damaged leader is in charge.
he doesn't want cyber security against the russians and he doesn't want bases renamed. even disputing a thing or two he should not veto this bill because democrats and republicans worked hard on it. they rarely work in bipartisanship on anything but this and the rescue bill they did. he just blew both of them up.
he's the worst president in history and continues to break that record probably till he's gone. no probably after he's gone. any politician who stays on board with him now is not worthy of office.
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The veto of the Defense Authorizaton bill is merely symbolic; it will easily be overridden.

As for the last-minute pardons, they are hardly scandalous: It seems that every president issues them, just as he is going out the door. (I have always opposed this practice--and still do--but just why Trump should be singled out, as though his predecessors were entirely pure in this regard, I have no idea.)
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half these pardons are people who kept their moth shut about don's involvement.
I really do not know just how many "moth[s]" have been shut--or even what that might look like. (Would it be a bit like butterflies being "shut," perhaps?)

Aside from that, exactly what proof do you have (that others simply could not provide) concerning the president's "involvement" in crimes?
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FYI.
Hate to play devils advocate here but the left isn't complaining about how many people he pardoned or commuted. They are complaining who he pardoned. The who is the important part, the how many is irrelevant part. The fact Obama pardoned a terrorist and a traitor would be relevant.
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