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Old 12-24-2020, 03:13 PM
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I really do not know just how many "moth[s]" have been shut--or even what that might look like. (Would it be a bit like butterflies being "shut," perhaps?)

Aside from that, exactly what proof do you have (that others simply could not provide) concerning the president's "involvement" in crimes?
flynn is a traitor. manifort wanted to turn over a guy america is harboring to turkey so e can be tortured and killed.
trump has proved his obstruction and is doing it again.
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Hate to play devils advocate here but the left isn't complaining about how many people he pardoned or commuted. They are complaining who he pardoned. The who is the important part, the how many is irrelevant part. The fact Obama pardoned a terrorist and a traitor would be relevant.
your party was on board till they found out he walked away from camp when he was sold to a terrorist group who held him as prisoner.
obama didn't get involved or involve people in traitorous acts then pardon them. he didn't pardon family members in-laws who had done terrible crimes. he didn't pardon people the act thereof implicating himself in obstruction of justice.
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your party was on board till they found out he walked away from camp when he was sold to a terrorist group who held him as prisoner..
Obama commuted the sentence of Oscar López Rivera. A leader of a terrorist group responsible for a 150 bombings in the US and the deaths of several people. Obama commuted the sentence of Bradly manning who leaked classified information.



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obama didn't get involved or involve people in traitorous acts then pardon them. he didn't pardon family members in-laws who had done terrible crimes. he didn't pardon people the act thereof implicating himself in obstruction of justice
Niether did Trump. And if you think he did then you must have drank so much kool aid that you would have enough Kool-aid points to buy a mansion.
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flynn is a traitor. manifort wanted to turn over a guy america is harboring to turkey so e can be tortured and killed.
trump has proved his obstruction and is doing it again.
General Flynn is a 30+ year veteran of distinguished military service. Despite the FBI agents who interviewed him concluding there was no crime Mueller's rabidly partisan lynch mob decided to bring charges. After the DOJ conducted a rational review charges were withdrawn. The claim of this patriot being a traitor is nothing but a smear.

Manafort wasn't convicted for attempting to turn someone over to Turkey.

Because you hate President Trump is no excuse for spreading baseless smears.
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how many of those presidents pardon 25 or more people involved with their own accused crimes?
half these pardons are people who kept their moth shut about don's involvement. the rest are sickening pardons of like minded retches who robbed the public trust or killed innocent civilians. no you cannot what aboutism this.
Instead of asking the question, why not give us the answer?

Seems like you're making a lot of unsupported and unsupportable statements.
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Hate to play devils advocate here but the left isn't complaining about how many people he pardoned or commuted. They are complaining who he pardoned. The who is the important part, the how many is irrelevant part. The fact Obama pardoned a terrorist and a traitor would be relevant.
Sounds to me like they're complaining about both.


But this is not new. Every President issues last minute pardons/commutations and the opposing party always complains.
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flynn is a traitor. manifort wanted to turn over a guy america is harboring to turkey so e can be tortured and killed.
trump has proved his obstruction and is doing it again.
Again, Salty. Evidence?
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I don't see any personal connection between Obama and the ones he pardoned. Quite unlike what Trump has done by pardoning good buddies since Trump himself is a ....take your pick. Scumbag, low life, criminal? We'll find out more once the authorities in New York subpoena and go to work on him.
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Again, Salty. Evidence?
you don't pardon innocent people but those convicted of a crime in a court of law. Traitor Flynn actually pled guilty. Manafort had enough evidence to put him behind bars for a lot longer than the lenient judge gave him.
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you don't pardon innocent people but those convicted of a crime in a court of law.

1. You can pardon people before a conviction. Like Nixon for example.

2. Since presidents can't grant expungements the next best thing is a pardon so that they don't rot in prison. If you believe someone was wrongfully targeted and you can't erase their record than a pardon at least keeps that person out of jail. The only reason Trump's associates and friends were targeted was because the left trying to look under every stone they can to try to convict Trump of something and therefore overturn the 2016 election.


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Flynn actually pled guilty.
Probably to avoid a harsher sentence if found guilty. Lots of people do that.It doesn't mean they are actually guilty. It just means they found pleading guilty to receive a lenient sentence more beneficial than fighting it and possibly getting the max sentence. Its also why many companies just settle out of court because the cost of settling is a lot less than fighting it even with a victory.


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Manafort had enough evidence to put him behind bars for a lot longer than the lenient judge gave him

According to loony leftists who claimed Trump colluded with Russia and is a Russian asset. The claims of loony leftist who hate Trump's guts is not evidence.
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