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Old 10-23-2020, 05:39 PM
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Trump opened a can of Whup Ass and fed it all to Biden and made him beg, "Please, Sir, may I have some more of that royal ass kicking?"
It's clear that only the die-hard Trumpists came away thinking that. Biden supporters and undecided voters uniformly thought the opposite.
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Old 10-23-2020, 06:12 PM
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It's clear that only the die-hard Trumpists came away thinking that. Biden supporters and undecided voters uniformly thought the opposite.
Yeah. I can see people thinking "Trump won the debate", but to have the mindset of "Trump did some serious ass-kicking" takes a very cult-like following of Trump, as far as I'm concerned.

But then again, one of the "features" of Trump is his ability to act like a bully, and a lot of right wingers seem to eat it up, which is one of the primary things that has added to the division and polarization that has happened to politics in the past 4 years.
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Yeah. I can see people thinking "Trump won the debate", but to have the mindset of "Trump did some serious ass-kicking" takes a very cult-like following of Trump, as far as I'm concerned.

But then again, one of the "features" of Trump is his ability to act like a bully, and a lot of right wingers seem to eat it up, which is one of the primary things that has added to the division and polarization that has happened to politics in the past 4 years.
The division and polarization puppet show is done by the communistic, socialistic, totalitarian sheep against freedom and other unalienable rights. They cannot wait for feeble-minded plutocrat types like Biden and Harris to "lead" America into a paradise like China.
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The division and polarization puppet show is done by the communistic, socialistic, totalitarian sheep against freedom and other unalienable rights. They cannot wait for feeble-minded plutocrat types like Biden and Harris to "lead" America into a paradise like China.
Utterly ridiculous. I could see you saying this about Bernie, but not Biden.

The division and polarization is done by republicans acting like bullies, constantly punching down. Before Trump, republicans were reasonable. Since Trump, making fun of people for things that have nothing to do with policy seems to be the norm.

This is not to say that the left doesn't have their part in this. The far left tries to "cancel" people, sometimes for things that were said over a decade ago. Having said that, democrats and people like Biden are NOT far left.

You're fearmongering to extremes.
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Utterly ridiculous. I could see you saying this about Bernie, but not Biden.

The division and polarization is done by republicans acting like bullies, constantly punching down. Before Trump, republicans were reasonable. Since Trump, making fun of people for things that have nothing to do with policy seems to be the norm.

This is not to say that the left doesn't have their part in this. The far left tries to "cancel" people, sometimes for things that were said over a decade ago. Having said that, democrats and people like Biden are NOT far left.

You're fearmongering to extremes.
Then there is nothing to fear but fearmongering itself.
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Who "won" the debate is dependent on how you feel about the issues.

If you think the pandemic isn't really a pandemic, then Trump won.
I have always thought that the threat from Covid-19 is overblown. (And that truly has nothing to do with the current occupant of the White House. I just wish to get on with my life--and simply ignore the coronavirus.)

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If you hate Obamacare and don't care if there's anything to actually replace it, then Trump won.
I do think that President Trump has been woefully slow in stating just how he would go about replacing it.

But I do think that ObamaCare is a very large step in the direction of UHC--some would call it socialized medicine--so we really ought not be too cute by half about it. (Those who believe in UHC are occupying a perfectly respectable position--I just happen to think otherwise--so they should not be running away from it.)

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If you think that black people have absolutely no reason to fear the police, then Trump won.
I am not a black person; so I cannot really speak knowledgeably to the matter.

But I certainly do not believe that this amounts to two separate countries--one for white people, and the other for black people, Latinos, and other minorities--as the left so often claims.

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If you think people should see prison time for drug possession, then Trump won.
I do think that people should be imprisoned for selling drugs--but not for mere possession (unless it is possession of such a large amount that it suggests an intent to re-sell).

But I do not remember President Trump saying otherwise.

I may have missed something.

Did I?

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If you don't hold any of those positions, then Biden won.
According to Frank Luntz, only four percent of the people were undecided, going into the debate; and another four percent were nominally decided, but open to persuasion.

Even if we put these together--totaling eight percent--it seems doubtful that these matters are of such great importance to most voters as to be decisive.
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Here's my take on the debate, with clips, if anyone is interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNfT3ceCdZU
That was actually very good critically speaking.
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I do think that President Trump has been woefully slow in stating just how he would go about replacing it.

But I do think that ObamaCare is a very large step in the direction of UHC--some would call it socialized medicine--so we really ought not be too cute by half about it. (Those who believe in UHC are occupying a perfectly respectable position--I just happen to think otherwise--so they should not be running away from it.)
during the 2016 campaign trump could not help himself but to praise universal healthcare systems.
while he did then express some sort of loose ideas for market driven steps he never really expressed a full plan. just the idea to repeal and replace.
he has obviously been at odds with the majority of republicans on the direction of the federal government's role in healthcare.
he has also seemingly changed his opinion.
so i don't think he has a plan.
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Utterly ridiculous. I could see you saying this about Bernie, but not Biden.

The division and polarization is done by republicans acting like bullies, constantly punching down. Before Trump, republicans were reasonable. Since Trump, making fun of people for things that have nothing to do with policy seems to be the norm.

This is not to say that the left doesn't have their part in this. The far left tries to "cancel" people, sometimes for things that were said over a decade ago. Having said that, democrats and people like Biden are NOT far left.

You're fearmongering to extremes.
Who was it that called his opponent a "clown" and told him to shut up at the the first debate? Who suggested to a largely black audience his opponent wanted to put them back in chains? Remember the VP debate in 2012? Biden behaved far worse than anything pearl clutching Democrats whined about with Trump in the first debate. But it's all good because he is a so called moderate.

Confronted with his failure to accomplish any of the things he promises if elected President the best Biden the United could muster is to blame Republicans.

The opening paragraphs of Biden's green new deal pay homage to the radical green new deal proposed by AOC before going on to describe the forced transformation of the US such as eliminating suburbs in favor of high density urban housing under the direction of Federal bureaucrats. To the Biden supporter this sounds moderate by some warped standard.
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