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Whenever I read the word, "oppressive" (or its noun version, "oppression"), I automatically find it very difficult to take the rest of the sentence seriously. To describe America--either the America of today, or the America of the late 1960s--as "crazy" and "racist," is so utterly jaw dropping as to hardly be worthy of a response.
Somehow I think if you were a Black man living in the american south in the 1940-50s you wouldn't have problem with the terms

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You do not think, then, that legitimate civil-rights issues could be addressed adequately, absent one's alignment with the Black Panther Party and the All-African Revolutionary Party?
Civil-rights issues could be addressed in number of ways.
One's alignment with aspects of the Black Panther Party of the 1960 IMO helped address certain issues.
"the All-African Revolutionary Party" meh.



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These people--like all people--were simply products of their times.
So I do not see their owning slaves as being evil. (We should really resist the temptation to superimpose twenty-first century ethics upon eighteenth-century men.)

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I never claimed that Malcolm X "kill[ed]" anybody, or started any "gulags."
You noted that there are some things about Malcolm X that I would find pleasing; and I responded that there are some things about Joseph Stalin that I would find pleasing, also.
But that is as far as the analogy went.
At least, until you expanded it.

I have long had ambivalent feelings about Nathan Bedford Forrest.
On the plus side, he was truly a military genius--more so than even Robert E. Lee--even though he had very little formal schooling.
But he was a slave trader prior to the Civil War (although slavery was not considered, by all, to be evil at that time; some felt that it was, whereas others thought that it was natural).
After the war, he was a co-founder of the KKK (although, in all fairness to the man, it should probably be noted that he left the organization, when it became too violent even for him).
And during the Civil War, he presided over the (entirely gratuitous) massacre of black soldiers at Fort Pillow--soldiers who had asked to surrender.
Ok, I'm not sure how to reply to this.
Other than to say If you can't see the problem here, I'm not sure talking about it much more will help.

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...This is pure deflection. (I was under the impression that this thread was never about Donald Trump. But some Never Trumpers just cannot help themselves, I suppose...)
Not a deflection. I answered your question about questioning people's motives for their support of the 2nd amendment in context of today's politics.

BTW I'm not a Never Trumper either.
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It is broadly true--but just too imprecise--to declare that Barry Goldwater was a "conservative" (as so many--on both sides of the aisle--are prone to do).

There are many different strains of conservatism; and one of those strains is libertarianism.

Yes, Barry Goldwater was a libertarian. And, like most of his fellow Westerners, he strongly wanted the federal government to keep away from the individual states--and especially the Western states.
until obama and republican leaders used race as a wedge issue to stir up their base against a popular nominee.
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until obama and republican leaders used race as a wedge issue to stir up their base against a popular nominee.
I truly do not know just what this means; and I am quite unsure as to how it might relate to Barry Goldwater, and his hands-off libertarianism.
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[Donald J. Trump]Cant remember heads of state and foreign contacts but remembers the madam of a child sex ring
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To begin with a desired conclusion (e.g. anything said about Donald Trump that is bad, must be true; evidence is really not needed) is to be guilty of a sort of reasoning known as the a priori fallacy.
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I truly do not know just what this means; and I am quite unsure as to how it might relate to Barry Goldwater, and his hands-off libertarianism.
probably wrong post. I think it was a reply to a statement that it has been many years since slavery and we've grown since the 70s and 80s.
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To begin with a desired conclusion (e.g. anything said about Donald Trump that is bad, must be true; evidence is really not needed) is to be guilty of a sort of reasoning known as the a priori fallacy.
or if you see photo after photo of someone with youngish ladies at parties at a person's house you could come to the conclusion he knew what was going on and did not abstain. add to that he said himself he knew jeff and maxwell; wished maxwell well, and has a penchant for getting his teet in a ringer with owed favors.
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or if you see photo after photo of someone with youngish ladies at parties at a person's house you could come to the conclusion he knew what was going on and did not abstain. add to that he said himself he knew jeff and maxwell; wished maxwell well, and has a penchant for getting his teet in a ringer with owed favors.
And how, exactly, does this prove that Donald Trump remembers "the madam of a child sex ring"?

Or does this simply dovetail with your severe distaste for the man? (If that is the case, another logical fallacy may be involved here: the fallacy known as confirmation bias.)
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And how, exactly, does this prove that Donald Trump remembers "the madam of a child sex ring"?

Or does this simply dovetail with your severe distaste for the man? (If that is the case, another logical fallacy may be involved here: the fallacy known as confirmation bias.)
he hung out with them ! gee Willy Wonkers! Are you in a state of cognitive dissonance or what, man?!
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he hung out with them ! gee Willy Wonkers! Are you in a state of cognitive dissonance or what, man?!
'Hung out'... please give the number of times a person has an event they attend with people of the same social strata that is to be considered to be hanging out'?

I suppose one could say I 'hung out' with Donald Trump, since not only did I meet the man, twice, I went to his casino a number of times in AC, where he would periodically stroll through the casino.

And I 'hung out' with Oleg Cassini, and even had dinner with him! Oooooo….
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Unless you have been living under a rock for all of 2020, you do realize that there was a Pandemic that caused local governments to shut down most of their economies. Prior to that, African American unemployment was at it's lowest point EVER!
The left has convenient amnesia, don't they?
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