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Old 08-01-2020, 11:11 PM
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mm Yes,
that's why Republicans nominated Barry Goldwater for president in 1964. Goldwater who opposed the Voting Rights Act.
Or bullsh*t...

URBAN LEGEND: GOLDWATER AGAINST CIVIL RIGHTS

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Goldwater had problems with title II and Title VII of the 1964 bill. He felt that constitutionally the federal government had no legal right to interfere in who people hired, fired; or to whom they sold their products, goods, and services. He felt that “power” laid in the various states, and with the people. He was a strong advocate of the tenth amendment. Goldwater’s constitutional stance did not mean he agreed with the segregation and racial discrimination practiced in the South. To the contrary, he fought against these kinds of racial divides in his own state of Arizona. He supported the integration of the Arizona National Guard and Phoenix public schools. Goldwater was, also, a member of the NAACP and the Urban League.
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Black voters abandoned the Republican party en masse.
More bullsh*t...

More Republicans voted for it than against it...Democrats?...Not so much...

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In the 1964 civil rights act, Republicans in the house voted 138 for and 34 against; Democrats voted 152 for and 96 against. In the Senate, the Republicans voted 27 for and 6 against; the Democrats voted 46 for and 21 against. Clearly, from these numbers, there was no apparent anti-Civil Rights movement in the GOP as Roland Martin, and others, suggest.
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Or bullsh*t...

URBAN LEGEND: GOLDWATER AGAINST CIVIL RIGHTS



More bullsh*t...

More Republicans voted for it than against it...Democrats?...Not so much...
yes and Johnson said we'll lose the south for a generation and they did. the democrats became republicans. they abandoned Lyndon Johnson's party even though their democrat congressmen voted the way they wanted against the act.
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mm Yes,
that's why Republicans nominated Barry Goldwater for president in 1964. Goldwater who opposed the Voting Rights Act. (John Lewis was on the Bridge getting beaten in that photo in 1965)
Black voters abandoned the Republican party en masse.

That why in the past 15 years (longer) many Republicans had to be begged by Black Republicans and others to attend the commemoration Anniversaries of the Selma Marches or any Civil rights events.


Also Historically there's the Republican Nixon
"“The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”
John Ehrlichman
Yes, Republicans have always been sooo concerned about the progress of equal rights for blacks in America and fighting those bad ol democrats trying to help blacks get equal treatment in work, education, housing, health, politics and the justice system.
there are no clean hands AZ.

But All right matters, Am i right?
Classic whataboutism, not a word about the uniformly Democrat segregationists who beat John Lewis. But hey, not being sufficiently enthusiastic about the lead up to the Selma commemoration is equivalent to the Democrats turning loose dogs, spraying fire hoses and beating peaceful protesters with riot batons.

No, our government isn't perfect in many respects but that doesn't mean we selectively ignore who was behind slavery and segregation.
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If Trump is racist against African Americans, he does a pretty poor job of it. Lowest unemployment numbers for African Americans in the history of this country and many other policies that help Black Americans. What a terrible racist.

Meanwhile, Old Joe talked about a jungle environment if his kids were forced to go to a school that was desegregated, and proudly stated that "you ain't black" if a black man doesn't vote for him. But he's not a racist.
African American unemployment is at 15.4%.
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hmm, I Never said Goldwater was a racist or generally against civil rights.

But Did Barry Goldwater vote against the Civil rights act?
The fact is that he did.
Did Blacks Leave the Republican party en masse as Goldwater rose to the nomination and gave speeches advocating states rights at a time when states where literally beating citizens who simply wanted to exercise their constitutional right.
yes.
what i said was Absolutely true.
so why are u mad?
But didn't you broad brush ALL of the democratic party earlier?
so your statement was BS then right? Since you didn't point out the portion of the southern dems who weren't acting in a racist manner.

As i said THERE ARE NO CLEAN HANDS CNRedd
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More bullsh*t...
More Republicans voted for it than against it...Democrats?...Not so much...
More republicans voted for it than dems yes.
But some republicans didn't. and some democrats did.
NO CLEAN HANDS
the truly racist dem LBJ DID sign it into law.

It's BS to PRETEND that the republicans are the party of all civil rights virtue and the Dems have been and are only evil on this issue.
when they are NOT.
My earlier post pointed to several other areas where republicans where being corrupt SOBs against minorities and civil rights.

what you and AZ are doing is promoting a BS.
NO hands are clean... and none are completely dirty.

I weary of this partisan BSery that claims EITHER side is "real" party of civil rights when for 200+ years ALL/BOTH parities have pissed on minorities.
And both have also seen the political benefit of encouraging/promoting minorities human, constitutional and civil rights and have done so.
And a FEW on both sides have actually tried to helped based on PRINCIPALS.
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No, our government isn't perfect in many respects but that doesn't mean we selectively ignore who was behind slavery and segregation.
White people?


I mean if you want to broad brush?
we should Never forget the history, but realize people and individuals and and groups can and have changed for he better?
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Do you seriously pay tribute to Malcolm X?

According to Wikipedia, he "advocated for black supremacy." And he sought "the separation of black and white Americans"--in other words, the same thing that George Wallace and Orval Faubus were famous for.

Should he really be honored for these views?
Well Malcolm X changed those View PJ, you should have kept reading.
So do Gorge Wallace i believe.

But even after he changes many of his racial supremacist views Malcolm X had many views I do NOT agree. He was Muslim as well. I don't agree with that. But that doesn't mean I don't respect much of his words and influence on the civil rights issue.

As mentioned here several times, John Lewis was a literally a Civil Rights HERO of the 60's and 70s. And I honor and am grateful him for his work there. But as a congressman he was also was a strong pro-Abortion advocate. I think that that is horrific and frankly part of genocide against blacks.
I don't agree with that aspect of his beliefs at all.
But at his death I can still honor his courage and earlier work.

But yeah PJ I have NO problem honoring Malcolm X, he's an example of Courage and growth and BTW he strongly promoted SELF RELIANCE and the 2nd amendment. Somethings i'd think you agree with as well.
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White people?


I mean if you want to broad brush?
we should Never forget the history, but realize people and individuals and and groups can and have changed for he better?
Same shame, Mr. W. Whites were not the only people to own slaves or have business in the slave trade.

Considering how long it has been since there was any slave trade or ownership in the US, I'd say as a civilized society, we have all grown and learned from past mistakes. Unfortunately, there are some who like to wallow in the idea that everybody still innately harbors the idea that someone with a different skin tone is some how 'less'.

Trying to paste that idea on everyone's forehead is going to get some blowback.....
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It is broadly true--but just too imprecise--to declare that Barry Goldwater was a "conservative" (as so many--on both sides of the aisle--are prone to do).

There are many different strains of conservatism; and one of those strains is libertarianism.

Yes, Barry Goldwater was a libertarian. And, like most of his fellow Westerners, he strongly wanted the federal government to keep away from the individual states--and especially the Western states.
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Well Malcolm X changed those View PJ, you should have kept reading.
So do Gorge Wallace i believe.
Oh, I did leave out something rather important.

According to the article, Malcolm X wrote a letter in 1950 to then-President Truman, "declaring himself to be a communist."

It is true that George Wallace, near the end of his life, reportedly repudiated his former stance as a staunch segregationist. But it is as a segregationist--standing in the schoolhouse door, in Alabama--that he will forever be remembered.

Likewise, even though Malcolm X eventually "no longer called for the separation of black people from white people," according to the article, he will forever be remembered for that.

Moreover, he "continued to advocate black nationalism, which he defined as self-determination for the African-American community."

Gee, that sounds positive--doesn't it?

Well, yes--until one further reads that this gave rise to the Black Power movement (a term coined by the radical Stokely Carmichael).

Malcolm X, according to the Wikipedia article, broke with the Nation of Islam after 12 years.

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But yeah PJ I have NO problem honoring Malcolm X, he's an example of Courage and growth and BTW he strongly promoted SELF RELIANCE and the 2nd amendment. Somethings i'd think you agree with as well.
I do agree with that--just as you can probably find some things about Joseph Stalin (the murderer of at least 20 million innocents) with which I would agree--like, for instance, his alliance against Adolf Hitler.

But are you certain that Malcolm X's advocacy of the Second Amendment was due to pure motives?

Or is it possible that he might have wanted to keep black people armed, in the event of an upcoming race war?
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