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Old 06-21-2020, 11:27 AM
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The problem is the abuse of power and authority by the police, regardless of skin color.

It happens to Black people, it happens to white people, and on and on. The common denominator is not the victim, but the perpetrator.

All lives do matter, and that is not racist.
There is plenty of well-documented evidence that police abuses are more prevalent against minorities.

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The largest-ever study of alleged racial profiling during traffic stops has found that blacks, who are pulled over more frequently than whites by day, are much less likely to be stopped after sunset, when "a veil of darkness" masks their race.

That is one of several examples of systematic bias that emerged from a five-year study that analyzed 95 million traffic stop records, filed by officers with 21 state patrol agencies and 35 municipal police forces from 2011 to 2018.

The Stanford-led study also found that when drivers were pulled over, officers searched the cars of blacks and Hispanics more often than whites. The researchers also examined a subset of data from Washington and Colorado, two states that legalized marijuana, and found that while this change resulted in fewer searches overall, and thus fewer searches of blacks and Hispanics, minorities were still more likely than whites to have their cars searched after a pull-over.

"Our results indicate that police stops and search decisions suffer from persistent racial bias, and point to the value of policy interventions to mitigate these disparities," the researchers write in the May 4th issue of Nature Human Behaviour.

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Pense make a huge political mistake imo…..


What a wasted opportunity....


What he should have said was, "Yes, black lives matter" while nodding his head up and down and then offer a pause before continuing with "Absolutely"....

Then he could follow up with "All lives matter" and give reasons why we should be working together trying to find more common ground....


That is how to do it....
I don't think its a wasted opportunity. Because Pence saying black lives mattered wouldn't have made any BLM supporter vote for Trump and they still would have bitched about him saying all lives matter.
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brass tacks, we all need to face that there is a race problem in this country and begin to actually do something about it.
A handful of innocent black people being wrongfully killed by the cops out of the almost 1000 people a year overall killed by cops a year doesn't prove there is a race problem.
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No, a lot of racists watch the Floyd and say that it’s horrible,
You obviously never met any racist. The only they thing would say is horrible is that the cop got fired for killing a black person.

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but think it’s just one bad cop and not evidence of any systemic problem.
Its not evidence of any systemic problem. On average around 300 less black people are killed by cops and most of those deaths are justified. On average we the people encounter the police 55 million times a year for anything from traffic stops to cops being called out for a some other crime. But only a 1000 people overage are killed by the cops. 0.0018% of police encounters with the public ending in the death of a suspect doesn't prove systemic problem of any kind. And we have over half a million cops in this country, but only a tiny handful of them wrongfully kill a innocent person, heck only a tiny percentage of them kill anyone. If there was s systemic problem then there would be way more than 300 black people a year killed by cops.

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It’s the same racist attitude that believes that there is no reason to single out Black people by saying “Black lives matter.”
If black lives matter to BLM protesters then they wouldn't be protesting over the handful of innocent people killed by cops. They would be protesting over the thousands of black people killed by other black people.They would be protesting the millions of black lives lost to abortion seeing how black women have a disproportionate amount of abortions
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You obviously never met any racist. The only they thing would say is horrible is that the cop got fired for killing a black person.


Its not evidence of any systemic problem. On average around 300 less black people are killed by cops and most of those deaths are justified. On average we the people encounter the police 55 million times a year for anything from traffic stops to cops being called out for a some other crime. But only a 1000 people overage are killed by the cops. 0.0018% of police encounters with the public ending in the death of a suspect doesn't prove systemic problem of any kind. And we have over half a million cops in this country, but only a tiny handful of them wrongfully kill a innocent person, heck only a tiny percentage of them kill anyone. If there was s systemic problem then there would be way more than 300 black people a year killed by cops.

If black lives matter to BLM protesters then they wouldn't be protesting over the handful of innocent people killed by cops. They would be protesting over the thousands of black people killed by other black people.They would be protesting the millions of black lives lost to abortion seeing how black women have a disproportionate amount of abortions
The killings of Black Americans by the police is a serious problem, but acting like it's the only problem of racially motivated police abuse worth talking about is precisely the sort of racist attitude I was talking about. There's a hell of a lot more racism in this country than just people cheering on the deaths of Black men.
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I don't think its a wasted opportunity. Because Pence saying black lives mattered wouldn't have made any BLM supporter vote for Trump and they still would have bitched about him saying all lives matter.
Well that is just saying that it doesn't matter what anyone says anymore.....


I'm not that in that can of quit mode.....

It's not about changing votes yet, it's about acknowledgement with some on the right.....


Think baby steps....
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ALL lives that have not intentionally hurt or killed another human being matter. I'm not going to join any flock who goes around bleating some fancy, made up phrase to show any type of solidarity.

Whining and chest-thumping retorts will be entertained for a while.
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ALL lives that have not intentionally hurt or killed another human being matter. I'm not going to join any flock who goes around bleating some fancy, made up phrase to show any type of solidarity.

Whining and chest-thumping retorts will be entertained for a while.
Your lack of understanding that cops treat black people differently is duly noted....


Simple as that....

Do you have enough snap to understand what I just typed....?
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Your lack of understanding that cops treat black people differently is duly noted....


Simple as that....

Do you have enough snap to understand what I just typed....?
Not all cops treat black people differently. Not all black people think cops (without any type of modifier like "some") treat blacks differently.

Let's not forget modifiers to avoid blanket statements like Black Lives Matter.

Time is running out on me entertaining whines and chest thumping retorts, people.
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The killings of Black Americans by the police is a serious problem, but acting like it's the only problem of racially motivated police abuse worth talking about is precisely the sort of racist attitude I was talking about. There's a hell of a lot more racism in this country than just people cheering on the deaths of Black men.
It's not a 'racist' attitude. Ignorant, perhaps.

When did the definition of racism change? Most people do not believe they are 'superior' to minorities. They may lack sympathy or empathy for their particular circumstance, but that does not make it racism. They treat people of similar skin colors the same, egocentric as many people are. That doesn't make them racist, it makes them egocentric.

Words have meaning. Over use dilutes the purpose, and it loses not only impact, but validity.
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