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Old 06-21-2020, 08:38 AM
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If the Tazer IS a deadly weapon then the sleepy drunk should have been in fear for his life. And the cop's were trying to kill him from the point where they took it out to use it on him.

Or the Tazer IS NOT a deadly weapon so the cops had good cause to use it on the sleepy fighting drunk and not "fear for their lives" when the sleepy drunk manages to take it from them.

The cops are the ones that have to decide which way they want to play it.
Either way they are wrong.

And here's a question.
The guy got there in a car right?
He ran away from that car. So the cops now had the guys ID AND his CAR.
the Sleepy drunk is on foot half-sleep, why couldn't they pick the guy up later at their leisure? When the poor police would be in no mortal danger.

What would Sheriff Andy Griffith do?
Is that to much like being a decent human being or something?
I guess so because, the cops did what Barney Fife would do.
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If you're not violently breaking the law.
How is it possible that you are placing yourself in physical danger, when 99.9% of police are good?

and i ask you again
Do you believe that there's NO OTHER WAY but VIOLENCE for police to "enforce the law"?
Laws set up to protect ALL the people's physical safety and constitutional rights?
Oh, so the police shouldn't enforce the law unless the suspect is in your opinion "violently" breaking the law? That kind of arbitrary selectivity is exactly what we don't want in our police.

The police could have wrestled the individual trying to break the line to the ground and arrested him. Had they done so we'd see videos of police brutality as they abused a peaceful elderly man merely exercising his Constitutional right to interfere with the police carrying out lawful orders.

Naturally only the highest motives are attributed to the protester. The police are villians for not using their magic ray to see that the protester was peaceful. Of course the police calling for medical assistance for the injured protester while continuing to advance the line is inexcusable. There are no recorded instances of the noble protesters brutally assaulting police officers when they become isolated.
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Oh, so the police shouldn't enforce the law unless the suspect is in your opinion "violently" breaking the law? That kind of arbitrary selectivity is exactly what we don't want in our police.
Police should only use the force necessary and appropriate for the offense.
Do you think people should be shot for jay walking and speeding?


But hey , we can't have police being arbitrary, beating and killing all law breakers is the only way.
I've seen the light.
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I made no statement for or against qualified immunity, I do believe it needs to be better defined but not completely trashed. I just pointed out that the group that is blindly for it is also the loudest against Judicial activism, ie ok with this this but oh so hateful and angry over the DACA and LGBTQ+ rulings.
Whether or not you made a statement "for or against qualified immunity," the fact remains that you claimed hypocrisy here, on the part of those whom you describe as "hateful and angry."

But there would be hypocrisy only if the doctrine of qualified judicial immunity were a product of "judicial activism."

And I believe that it is a considerable stretch to claim that this is the case.
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Whether or not you made a statement "for or against qualified immunity," the fact remains that you claimed hypocrisy here, on the part of those whom you describe as "hateful and angry."

But there would be hypocrisy only if the doctrine of qualified judicial immunity were a product of "judicial activism."

And I believe that it is a considerable stretch to claim that this is the case.
The U.S. Supreme Court first introduced the qualified immunity doctrine in 1967 how is that fact a stretch. Its was not law till then and it was not created by law makers but from the bench were they gave Law Enforcement rights that did not exist before their decision. It is also the same group that is crying foul over the DACA and LGBTQ+ rulings while defending qualified immunity how is that not hypocritical?
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Police should only use the force necessary and appropriate for the offense.
Do you think people should be shot for jay walking and speeding?


But hey , we can't have police being arbitrary, beating and killing all law breakers is the only way.
I've seen the light.
Here comes the hysteria, police shooting jaywalkers and speeders. Anything to avoid discussing the police shoving someone aside who was trying to block them carrying out a lawful order. A so-called protesters attempted to break the police line to stop them from enforcing a curfew but it's the police who are at fault.

The police application of force is regulated by internal policy, reviewed by internal and citizen boards, and subject to prosecution by district attorneys. But that's not good enough for politicians pandering to the mob. The police are unrestrained villians looking to leave bodies of their victims in the streets. We are so much better off trusting the "judgement" of the mob just ask the family of retired police captain David Dorn, shot down and left to die on the sidewalk like garbage for the crime of trying to stop looters from exercising their Constitutional right to plunder.
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The U.S. Supreme Court first introduced the qualified immunity doctrine in 1967 how is that fact a stretch. Its was not law till then and it was not created by law makers but from the bench were they gave Law Enforcement rights that did not exist before their decision. It is also the same group that is crying foul over the DACA and LGBTQ+ rulings while defending qualified immunity how is that not hypocritical?
The 1967 ruling did not create an new right; rather, it just clarified what police officers could and could not do. (If they acted in "good faith," as the ruling went, they could not be sued for their actions.)

That seems fair enough.
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