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For a group of people so against Judicial activism its shows that your hypocrisy knows no bounds if you are in favor of qualified immunity first introduced in 1967 by the U.S. Supreme Court
The doctrine of qualified immunity was introduced by the SCOTUS "with the rationale of protecting law enforcement officials from frivolous lawsuits and financial liability in cases where they acted in good faith in unclear legal situations," according to Wikipedia.

I do find it rather interesting that you would find fault with that.

(Oh, and your definition of "Judicial activism" seems to cover anything that you personally disfavor, if it did not explicitly exist previously...)
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Atlanta AG has charged Officer Rolfe with murder before a full investigation is completed.. In effect rescinding limited officer immunity

If we rescind limited officer immunity as suggested by some, here is what will happen nationwide...;
https://flagandcross.com/70-atlanta-...t-is-60-black/
This case is a basically a local political turd happening in the wake of the Floyd protests.....

Is was not murder and the officer will most likely beat the charge in court....

This case is not a good one for qualified immunity, save that for the bad cops who are kept in departments for decades with dozens of worthless IA investigations that ended up in the trash can....

The Tuttle murders in Houston where I live is a good example....

Bad cops that murdered a couple in their own home, planting evidence, lying on police reports with unions backing the lies and the cops involved...
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The doctrine of qualified immunity was introduced by the SCOTUS "with the rationale of protecting law enforcement officials from frivolous lawsuits and financial liability in cases where they acted in good faith in unclear legal situations," according to Wikipedia.

I do find it rather interesting that you would find fault with that.

(Oh, and your definition of "Judicial activism" seems to cover anything that you personally disfavor, if it did not explicitly exist previously...)
I made no statement for or against qualified immunity, I do believe it needs to be better defined but not completely trashed. I just pointed out that the group that is blindly for it is also the loudest against Judicial activism, ie ok with this this but oh so hateful and angry over the DACA and LGBTQ+ rulings.
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If we rescind limited officer immunity as suggested by some, here is what will happen nationwide...;

Here is what happens when we don't.....

Happened after you posted your reply btw....

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...e-footage.html


Cops kill the security guard and then they steal the video evidence.....

How is that squaring with your lawsuit complaint now.....???
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Here is what happens when we don't.....

Happened after you posted your reply btw....

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...e-footage.html


Cops kill the security guard and then they steal the video evidence.....

How is that squaring with your lawsuit complaint now.....???
They took the tape to keep it safe Dave.
c'mon.
of course.
Plus why would a business need to hire security, the police are there right? Fake security is what i'm thinking. prove me wrong.
Also, If That Security kid had used common sense to not get in the vicinity of cops, he'd be alive today.
Everyone knows not to be around cops doing their jobs, it's dangerous.
Cops have to use deadly force to enforce every random law on the books, as well as keep themselves safe.
that's just the way it is. no need or possibility of any changes for the better Dave.
c'mon dude. get real. a few corrupt cops and dead innocents and elder abuses are the price of "protection".
what are you some kind of ANARCHIST?



(for the record i'm being sarcastic)
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The doctrine of qualified immunity was introduced by the SCOTUS "with the rationale of protecting law enforcement officials from frivolous lawsuits and financial liability in cases where they acted in good faith in unclear legal situations," according to Wikipedia.

I do find it rather interesting that you would find fault with that.

(Oh, and your definition of "Judicial activism" seems to cover anything that you personally disfavor, if it did not explicitly exist previously...)
As does yours, my friend. So we are all in agreement there are ongoing interpretations of our laws. "judicial activism" is just a trigger word imho
fitting either side's oppinion.
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Atlanta AG has charged Officer Rolfe with murder before a full investigation is completed.. In effect rescinding limited officer immunity

If we rescind limited officer immunity as suggested by some, here is what will happen nationwide...;
https://flagandcross.com/70-atlanta-...t-is-60-black/
#1 Quit reading white nationalist papers. They will turdilate your mind.

Second and final answer~ A taser hurts; it hurts bad; a bullet aimed to kill (could be a whole other thread why they aim to kill?) kills.
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#1 Quit reading white nationalist papers. They will turdilate your mind.

Second and final answer~ A taser hurts; it hurts bad; a bullet aimed to kill (could be a whole other thread why they aim to kill?) kills.
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Tasers more than "hurt bad"...

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As police confront protesters across the United States, they’re turning to rubber bullets, pepper spray, tear gas and other weapons meant to minimize fatalities.

But some are using a weapon that has potential to kill: the Taser. When those encounters have turned fatal, black people make up a disproportionate share of those who die, according to a Reuters analysis.

Reuters documented 1,081 cases through the end of 2018 in which people died after being shocked by police with a Taser, the vast majority of them after 2000. At least 32% of those who died were black, and at least 29% were white. African-Americans make up 14% of the U.S. population, and non-Hispanic whites 60%.
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Tasers more than "hurt bad"...
that means 49% were hispanic wow

so why are police using this. and no it doesn't kill at the same rate as a bullet which killed 100% of its targets since it is always aimed to do the most damage.
when a taser kills it is an anomaly albeit a frequent one. when a bullet doesn't kill (talking about policing), it is an anomaly and an infrequent one.
but again why are cops using them?
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#1 Quit reading white nationalist papers. They will turdilate your mind.

Second and final answer~ A taser hurts; it hurts bad; a bullet aimed to kill (could be a whole other thread why they aim to kill?) kills.
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First, you have no idea what I read. White nationalist papers??//When did I ever post one?
Secondly whilst a Taser is less lethal it can still kill. And it will incapacitate. Had the perp managed to incapacitate the cop he could have then taken his weapon.

I suspect the perp may well have thought he the grabbed the gun. Either way he shot first. Not the police. At which point all bets are off.

Perhaps YOU should stop watching, and believing, biased edited videos of the event.

We are about to lose major numbers of members in our police forces. Not from defunding, but disgusting overhyped media lies.

Just like in Ferguson, where we finally learned that the perp grabbed the officer's weapon in the struggle but lost at the end, the truth will come out. But, in the minds of fools who believed the hype from the progressive media, not prevail.
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