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except...there are standards and procedures for nurses dictated by a licensing committee and learned in school. there's a book if you want to look up anything.
nursing was originally based on army and church practices for adhering to protocol. So look up the standards and practices for nursing a patient with an unknown contagious virus and you'll have your answer.
Salty, you're blathering, and it's an hour early.
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Salty, you're blathering, and it's an hour early.
i was replying to this:

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if you ask a group of nurses what's best, you'll get 12 differing opinions. One of which will be red bandannas soaked in scotch.

Consistency is important. It's no different than letting each nurse decide on the treatment for each if their cases.
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You don't know that. For all I know, those masks brought from home are the ones grabbed months ago while the grabbing was good. Tossed on a shelf for use when mowing the lawn. Now mommy puts a couple in her purse and goes to work. Stopping at the 7-11 for a coffee. Is that what you think is corona free?
You're right, you don't know.
the Nurse do. And I suspect they are at least as aware of picking up virus from the 7-11 or crap in their purse as you are Jimbo. And wouldn't be using some mask that's been sitting loose in the bus station bathroom.

I'm not sure why you'd assume the nurses are just being stupid and using any old mask that itself might be infected with corona.
"Yes, let me bring my old crappy used and virus exposed mask from home. So, i can kill myself, my co-workers and the patients. just like i learnt in medical school! "

really?
personally I'm giving the nurses the benny of the doubt on this one.
You're free to assume all the nurses are stupid and putting lives in more danger than "consistently" using the lesser equipment with the rest of the med staff..
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You're right, you don't know.
the Nurse do. And I suspect they are at least as aware of picking up virus from the 7-11 or crap in their purse as you are Jimbo. And wouldn't be using some mask that's been sitting loose in the bus station bathroom.

I'm not sure why you'd assume the nurses are just being stupid and using any old mask that itself might be infected with corona.
"Yes, let me bring my old crappy used and virus exposed mask from home. So, i can kill myself, my co-workers and the patients. just like i learnt in medical school! "

really?
personally I'm giving the nurses the benny of the doubt on this one.
You're free to assume all the nurses are stupid and putting lives in more danger than "consistently" using the lesser equipment with the rest of the med staff..
Mr. Wonder, I think you need to look at the big picture here. While YOU believe that worrying about lawsuits should be placed on the back burner during an emergency or "Crisis" if you will, unfortunately we know that there are a great many in the legal community that see this thing as a HUGE opportunity to line their pockets.

You would think that drugs brought to market to save lives would be immune to such lawsuits, but just watch television and see all the Class Action lawsuits getting people that may have been "harmed" by a drug that saved their lives, to join the suite to go after the Evil pharmaceutical company that just saved their life. It is disgusting, but it is the world we live in. And unfortunately, these hospitals have to take that into consideration when they make these policies.

And one other thing. When you have Salty agreeing with you, you really need to examine your argument again.
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You're right, you don't know.
the Nurse do. And I suspect they are at least as aware of picking up virus from the 7-11 or crap in their purse as you are Jimbo. And wouldn't be using some mask that's been sitting loose in the bus station bathroom.

I'm not sure why you'd assume the nurses are just being stupid and using any old mask that itself might be infected with corona.
"Yes, let me bring my old crappy used and virus exposed mask from home. So, i can kill myself, my co-workers and the patients. just like i learnt in medical school! "

really?
personally I'm giving the nurses the benny of the doubt on this one.
You're free to assume all the nurses are stupid and putting lives in more danger than "consistently" using the lesser equipment with the rest of the med staff..
Hospitals are obligated to provide a standard of care. To do this they have tons of procedures and standards especially for highly contagious diseases like the Corona virus.

The national cathedral donated thousands of face masks to local hospitals after discovering they had them left over from the bird flu outbreak several years ago. The hospitals insisted on inspecting the masks before accepting them for use to maintain standards.

Just like the Iranian workers unwittingly introduced a destructive computer virus into their nuclear weapons facility, hospital workers if allowed to bring their own protective gear can help spread the virus. It has nothing to do with intent of the workers or fear of lawsuits it's basic common sense.
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ok, the fact is some Hospitals admins are covering simply their arses without much concern for staff or patients. And some nurses are are trying there best to keep safety standards as high as possible.
If hospitals want to prioritize concerns about lawsuits then they can start worrying about lawsuits from nurses. they are happening now.

https://abc7chicago.com/nurses-lawsu...masks/6044952/
Nurse's lawsuit alleges Northwestern Memorial Hospital fired her for warning about 'ineffective' COVID-19 mask
CHICAGO (WLS) -- A former infectious disease nurse at Northwestern Memorial Hospital filed a whistleblower lawsuit alleging she was fired after warning coworkers that masks the hospital provided did not adequately protect staff against COVID-19.
Lauri Mazurkiewicz filed the suit Monday in Cook County Circuit Court, naming the hospital and several employees as defendants, the lawsuit states.
According to the suit, the hospital began accepting and treating patients diagnosed with COVID-19 this month, allegedly exposing Mazurkiewicz and others to the virus.
Instead of distributing N95 masks, which are effective at preventing the wearer from contracting the virus, the hospital allegedly provided staff with "less-effective" masks last week, the lawsuit claims.
The hospital allegedly also prevented its employees from wearing N95 masks.
Mazurkiewicz sent an email March 18 warning employees and supervisors that N95 masks were more effective than the masks distributed by the hospital, the suit states.
"I sent the email to my co-workers so that they would be protected too, so that they could take care of their patients better, protect their patients better, protect their families better, protect others better," Mazurkiewicz said. "It could have caused a movement, where nurses would demand N95s for the hospital."
She claims she was fired the next day after showing up to work while wearing an N95 mask. Mazurkiewicz said she is also a travel nurse and has her own.
The lawsuit claims she was laid off in retaliation for warning staff that the masks the hospital provided were unsafe.
"You shouldn't be fired for not only saying I'm gonna wear this but by educating people that's this is the mask to wear," said Blake Horwitz, Mazurkiewicz's attorney.
A spokesman for Northwestern Memorial said in statement that, "As Northwestern Medicine continues to respond to this unprecedented health care pandemic, the health and well-being of our patients, our staff and our employees is our highest priority. We take these matters seriously and we are currently reviewing the complaint. At this time, we will not be commenting further."
Mazurkiewicz said several days ago, she started not feeling well and had some symptoms of COVID-19, but tested negative for the virus.
The suit seeks a jury trial and more than $50,000 in damages.
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Dr. Fired from Hospital ... After Complaining Not Enough PPE's
An E.R. doctor who dared to sound the alarm his hospital did not have enough PPE's (personal protective equipment) to protect hospital staff has been fired ... according to the doc himself.
Dr. Ming Lin says he was given his walking papers from PeaceHealth St. Joseph Medical Center in Bellingham, Washington, after he pled with folks on social media and other outlets for the hospital to get more gloves, masks and other items that protect doctors and nurses from contracting the coronavirus. As you know, the disease has hit Washington state with a vengeance.
Dr. Lin, who worked at the hospital for 17 years, says he was unceremoniously fired by a supervisor who told him, "You've been terminated."
Dr. Lin reportedly took it in stride, telling the Seattle Times, "It's a blow to my ego more than anything."
Lin had been very critical of the hospital, saying it wasn't protecting the staff. He claimed on social media the hospital would not screen patients outside the facility for COVID-19 ... so when they got in the E.R. safety became a crapshoot.
He says he was given an ultimatum earlier this month ... take his social media posts down, or else. He chose the latter.
But hey, the Hospital admins knows better than those silly Doctors and Nurses, he should have just kept is mouth shut... he doesn't know jack about health like the MBAs and lawyers of the hospital Admin right?
The hospital won't get any lawsuits from patients if they don't know how unsafe the hospital is! that's the main thing. Sheesh!
I mean c'mon these lawsuits are just crazy nowadays! Staff and patients dying from piss poor pandemic protection is bad but lawsuits?!?! ohmygodness! that's a horror no hospital or insurance company should bear.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/03/28/coron...ment-ming-lin/
https://time.com/5812006/washington-...e-staff-fired/
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We use the 3 ply disposable masks.
While we are not in short supply as yet, they used to be throughout our facility in the wall mounts found in several locations.
Those boxes have been pulled and placed in the staff breakroom or in a specific area in central supply.

One of the older nurses fashioned cloth masks, which is all the rage now. More a fad than anything at the moment.
She made a ton of them using cloth scraps and ponytail holders.
The consensus is, "better than nothing".

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Hospitals Tell Doctors They’ll Be Fired If They Speak Out About Lack of Gear
By Olivia Carville
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“Hospitals are muzzling nurses and other health-care workers in an attempt to preserve their image,” said Ruth Schubert, a spokeswoman for the Washington State Nurses Association. “It is outrageous.”

In China, one of the earliest alarms about the mysterious new illness was raised by a doctor in an online chatroom in late December. He was reprimanded and forced to sign a police statement that the post was illegal. He later contracted the disease from a patient and died.

It’s hard to come to grips with the fact that #WhenCoronaVirusIsOver some of us in healthcare will not be standing. And to think that is partially due to a lack of #PPE is infuriating. #GetMePPE pic.twitter.com/id5rrHoQFH
— Joseph Sakran (@JosephSakran) March 29, 2020
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“It is good and appropriate for health-care workers to be able to express their own fears and concerns, especially when expressing that might get them better protection,” said Glenn Cohen, faculty director of Harvard Law School’s bioethics center. It’s likely hospitals are trying to limit reputational damage because “when health-care workers say they are not being protected, the public gets very upset at the hospital system.”...

“Our oath is to do no harm,” Lin said. “I spoke out for patient safety and as a result I got terminated.” Dr Lin
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“I’m hearing widespread stories from physicians across the country and they are all saying: ‘We have these stories that we think are important to get out, but we are being told by our hospital systems that we are not allowed to speak to the press, and if we do so there will be extreme consequences,” she said.
Many say they get daily emails urging them not to talk to the media under any circumstances. “The public needs to hear these stories and other physicians need to hear them to be warned against what’s coming,” Mehta said. “It’s so important that everyone understands how bad this is going to get.”


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