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Some would say that this man and others like him are geniuses for cleaning stores out of their merchandise for miles around and in many states and then forcing people to pay ten or twenty times that product's retail value. While others would say these people are cock sucking pieces of shit for trying to fuck people over during what many consider a crisis. I happen to agree with the latter. I have to wonder how big a piece of **** someone has to be to think hey its a good idea clean stores out of their **** so you can drastically jack the prices up on what many would consider life saving goods. I hope these people face criminal prosecution for what they were trying to do. I am sure some die hard capitalist will say these men done nothing with trying to scalp face masks, wipes, and hand sanitizers.




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On March 1, the day after the first coronavirus death in the United States was announced, brothers Matt and Noah Colvin set out in a silver S.U.V. to pick up some hand sanitizer. Driving around Chattanooga, Tenn., they hit a Dollar Tree, then a Walmart, a Staples and a Home Depot. At each store, they cleaned out the shelves.

Over the next three days, Noah Colvin took a 1,300-mile road trip across Tennessee and into Kentucky, filling a U-Haul truck with thousands of bottles of hand sanitizer and thousands of packs of antibacterial wipes, mostly from “little hole-in-the-wall dollar stores in the backwoods,” his brother said. “The major metro areas were cleaned out.”

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Matt Colvin stayed home near Chattanooga, preparing for pallets of even more wipes and sanitizer he had ordered, and starting to list them on Amazon. Mr. Colvin said he had posted 300 bottles of hand sanitizer and immediately sold them all for between $8 and $70 each, multiples higher than what he had bought them for. To him, “it was crazy money.” To many others, it was profiteering from a pandemic.

The next day, Amazon pulled his items and thousands of other listings for sanitizer, wipes and face masks. The company suspended some of the sellers behind the listings and warned many others that if they kept running up prices, they’d lose their accounts. EBay soon followed with even stricter measures, prohibiting any U.S. sales of masks or sanitizer.


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“It’s been a huge amount of whiplash,” he said. “From being in a situation where what I’ve got coming and going could potentially put my family in a really good place financially to ‘What the heck am I going to do with all of this?’”

Mr. Colvin is one of probably thousands of sellers who have amassed stockpiles of hand sanitizer and crucial respirator masks that many hospitals are now rationing, according to interviews with eight Amazon sellers and posts in private Facebook and Telegram groups from dozens more. Amazon said it had recently removed hundreds of thousands of listings and suspended thousands of sellers’ accounts for price gouging related to the coronavirus
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I have a friend who owns a Paint Store that specializes in automotive paints and accessories. About a month or so ago he noticed that is was getting difficult to fill orders for painters masks filters that were essentially very common in the healthcare industry. He was able to locate a few from 3M and a few other vendors and purchased all he could. He stated at the time that he needed to do this in order to keep his customers supplied.

Apparently, it was a good move on his part as now he is the only one in the area that can supply these items to his customers although he is now running low also.
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Some would say that this man and others like him are geniuses for cleaning stores out of their merchandise for miles around and in many states and then forcing people to pay ten or twenty times that product's retail value. While others would say these people are cock sucking pieces of shit for trying to fuck people over during what many consider a crisis. I happen to agree with the latter. I have to wonder how big a piece of **** someone has to be to think hey its a good idea clean stores out of their **** so you can drastically jack the prices up on what many would consider life saving goods. I hope these people face criminal prosecution for what they were trying to do. I am sure some die hard capitalist will say these men done nothing with trying to scalp face masks, wipes, and hand sanitizers.




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On March 1, the day after the first coronavirus death in the United States was announced, brothers Matt and Noah Colvin set out in a silver S.U.V. to pick up some hand sanitizer. Driving around Chattanooga, Tenn., they hit a Dollar Tree, then a Walmart, a Staples and a Home Depot. At each store, they cleaned out the shelves.

Over the next three days, Noah Colvin took a 1,300-mile road trip across Tennessee and into Kentucky, filling a U-Haul truck with thousands of bottles of hand sanitizer and thousands of packs of antibacterial wipes, mostly from “little hole-in-the-wall dollar stores in the backwoods,” his brother said. “The major metro areas were cleaned out.”

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Matt Colvin stayed home near Chattanooga, preparing for pallets of even more wipes and sanitizer he had ordered, and starting to list them on Amazon. Mr. Colvin said he had posted 300 bottles of hand sanitizer and immediately sold them all for between $8 and $70 each, multiples higher than what he had bought them for. To him, “it was crazy money.” To many others, it was profiteering from a pandemic.

The next day, Amazon pulled his items and thousands of other listings for sanitizer, wipes and face masks. The company suspended some of the sellers behind the listings and warned many others that if they kept running up prices, they’d lose their accounts. EBay soon followed with even stricter measures, prohibiting any U.S. sales of masks or sanitizer.


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“It’s been a huge amount of whiplash,” he said. “From being in a situation where what I’ve got coming and going could potentially put my family in a really good place financially to ‘What the heck am I going to do with all of this?’”

Mr. Colvin is one of probably thousands of sellers who have amassed stockpiles of hand sanitizer and crucial respirator masks that many hospitals are now rationing, according to interviews with eight Amazon sellers and posts in private Facebook and Telegram groups from dozens more. Amazon said it had recently removed hundreds of thousands of listings and suspended thousands of sellers’ accounts for price gouging related to the coronavirus
I hope some good Samaritans rob them and give the stuff to a food bank.

My wife and I take dog food, people food, water and other items to a little poor community about 40 miles north of Las Vegas called Indian Springs, on a regular basis.

Now we are trying to figure out how to keep doing it, dog food is no problem, we still have a couple pallets in our warehouse.

We heard some people from Las Vegas drove up there and cleaned out the Family Dollar store in Indian Springs and its the only store there,
most of the people do not have transportation.
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Some would say that this man and others like him are geniuses for cleaning stores out of their merchandise for miles around and in many states and then forcing people to pay ten or twenty times that product's retail value....



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nobody wud say that
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people who panic buy like this are selfish Hoarders. Scum who take for themselves the necessities required by their neighbors.

To what end? Profit, in and of itself is not an evil, but this practice is. And so is butting up in the line of consumers to buy all the available product one's neighbors also need.

I believe it is one thing to buy 20 generators in Akron to deliver to New Orleans Hurricane victims, asking a small markup for the trouble and travel. That is illegal, It probably should not be.

But selfishly buying all the TP or sanitizer on the shelf is not. It should be.

I have enough TP for three months at our manufacturing plant. And also for three months at the house. I bought it over time so as not to stress the supply lines, or deny it to my neighbors. Also enough food for the same period. or longer. Been set that way for 30 years.

We replace it every year and give what is still viable to the Boy scouts or food pantries. I am no saint. It just makes sense to be so well prepared.

This crisis is just like all the others. I have no stress.
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y'all are startin to get pizzy at wmart.
demanding to look "in the back" tp see if there's more tp.
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hmmm, I'm not sure why, doing this is "Immoral" and deserving of mass ridicule.
It is in fact just capitalism.
No one FORCED the buyers to buy the goods at those high prices? right?

That's what i've been told about other capitalist issues.
It's all fair and just and good capitalism as long as all parties agree. correct?

Work in a coal mine or fields 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, at minimum wages or below, with no health care or pension for decades. Nothing wrong with that.
Well they AGREED to it. therefore ergo facto it's just FINE
If the workers don't like the deal they should just go and get better skills (while they sleep i guess) so they can get a better job... others have done it right?
There's nothing WRONG or immoral with the arrangement itself.
Unless of course the worker is in the country illegally. THAT'S another story.
Crossing a national boundary line to work without permission is extremely Immoral and must be stopped.
But not paying workers a living wage, is fine and dandy. As long as people are willing to do it it must be OK...
like prostitution and prison labor.

As I've said before, there is no moral check, or inherent moral boundary, on raw capitalism. the morality for capitalism is primarily imposed by the godly or ungodly character of the participants, and culture. Being fair, being generous, thinking of not only oneself but the greater good of our neighbors or those that live downstream from the participants current bottom lines is A necessary foundation to make capitalism work. Capitalism must be a tool of a moral people not an idol for people follow or bow down too.
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hmmm, I'm not sure why, doing this is "Immoral" and deserving of mass ridicule.
It is in fact just capitalism.
No one FORCED the buyers to buy the goods at those high prices? right?

That's what i've been told about other capitalist issues.
It's all fair and just and good capitalism as long as all parties agree. correct?

Work in a coal mine or fields 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, at minimum wages or below, with no health care or pension for decades. Nothing wrong with that.
Well they AGREED to it. therefore ergo facto it's just FINE
If the workers don't like the deal they should just go and get better skills (while they sleep i guess) so they can get a better job... others have done it right?
There's nothing WRONG or immoral with the arrangement itself.
Unless of course the worker is in the country illegally. THAT'S another story.
Crossing a national boundary line to work without permission is extremely Immoral and must be stopped.
But not paying workers a living wage, is fine and dandy. As long as people are willing to do it it must be OK...
like prostitution and prison labor.

As I've said before, there is no moral check, or inherent moral boundary, on raw capitalism. the morality for capitalism is primarily imposed by the godly or ungodly character of the participants, and culture. Being fair, being generous, thinking of not only oneself but the greater good of our neighbors or those that live downstream from the participants current bottom lines is A necessary foundation to make capitalism work. Capitalism must be a tool of a moral people not an idol for people follow or bow down too.
It is simply lazy, if not mendacious, to equate capitalism with greed like this.


Capitalism is a motivational process by which to enrich oneself by creating a product or service for which people want and will pay to use. Hoarding is just a selfish act by people who care little for their fellow man.
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It is simply lazy, if not mendacious, to equate capitalism with greed like this.
Capitalism is a motivational process by which to enrich oneself by creating a product or service for which people want and will pay to use. Hoarding is just a selfish act by people who care little for their fellow man.
Definition of capitalism
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: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
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What Is Capitalism?
Capitalism is an economic system in which private individuals or businesses own capital goods. The production of goods and services is based on supply and demand in the general market—known as a market economy—rather than through central planning—known as a planned economy or command economy.
The purest form of capitalism is free market or laissez-faire capitalism. Here, private individuals are unrestrained. They may determine where to invest, what to produce or sell, and at which prices to exchange goods and services. The laissez-faire marketplace operates without checks or controls.

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"Capitalism is the free market economic system based on the work ethic, private ownership and entrepreneurship. The investment of capital, and production, distribution, income, and prices are determined not by government (as in socialism) but through the operation of a competitive market where decisions are voluntary and private rather than regulated and mandated by government (see, e.g., the law of supply and demand). "
There is NOTHING in any definition of Capitalism about "fairness" or an inbuilt rejection of "selflessness" franc.
That comes from the character of the people involved not the operation of the principal of trade. The only things needed are 2 "willing" parties with something to exchange.
As i said we should never make capitalism an Idol. some kind of idol that somehow creates moral goodness by default. it does not. It's a tool of social contract.
One of the best... if held in check UNDER moral players.
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Definition of capitalism
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: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
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What Is Capitalism?
Capitalism is an economic system in which private individuals or businesses own capital goods. The production of goods and services is based on supply and demand in the general market—known as a market economy—rather than through central planning—known as a planned economy or command economy.
The purest form of capitalism is free market or laissez-faire capitalism. Here, private individuals are unrestrained. They may determine where to invest, what to produce or sell, and at which prices to exchange goods and services. The laissez-faire marketplace operates without checks or controls.

....
https://www.conservapedia.com/Capitalism
"Capitalism is the free market economic system based on the work ethic, private ownership and entrepreneurship. The investment of capital, and production, distribution, income, and prices are determined not by government (as in socialism) but through the operation of a competitive market where decisions are voluntary and private rather than regulated and mandated by government (see, e.g., the law of supply and demand). "
There is NOTHING in any definition of Capitalism about "fairness" or an inbuilt rejection of "selflessness" franc.That comes from the character of the people involved not the operation of the principal of trade. The only things needed are 2 "willing" parties with something to exchange.
As i said we should never make capitalism an Idol. some kind of idol that somehow creates moral goodness by default. it does not. It's a tool of social contract.
One of the best... if held in check UNDER moral players.
So what? Because those factors aren't in the "definition" gives you no right to defame and vilify the process with your personal mendacity.

Morality is an entirely different and unrelated value which comes from people of good will. Americans, as a general rule, are such people. Capitalism in America found a fecundy which existed no where else at the time of our founding. The result was an explosion of opportunity for the common man and is the reason our nation prospered. The greed of the ruling class was overcome by the environment created to allow "capitalism" to flourish not just for the landed wealthy, but even for the common citizen.

Without it we would all be wallowed in the slavery of serfdom.
My personal story is proof. Leaving my family at 21 with nothing but the clothes on my back, I now own a flourishing business for 40 years because I learned to build and sell a better mouse trap. I stole nothing from anyone in the process of being successful.

In this process, I am not unique. I count many friends, none of them selfish, greedy, or evil, who did the same. Capitals, made that possible.

The greed of which you speak lies with people who would empty the shelves in a crisis, for their own benefit. By your posted definitions, a totally unrelated activity to capitalism.

But thanks for playing
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